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In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

The federal government should require e-verify. But of course the whole states' rights argument has poisoned that well. Not to mention the fact that conservatives don't really want it, since it will result in possible criminal prosecutions of CEOs in some of the biggest industries, including agribusiness, hospitality and meat packing. Conservatives and their constituents make big money off exploiting illegal workers and have done so for a long time. With e-verify, those industries would actually have to pay market wages.

As much as I hate to admit it, you're spot on on this issue. Though to be fair, Democrats don't really want it either, as demonstrated by California's complete prohibition of employers using it.
 
It's been a crime to employ illegal aliens for some time now and the Clinton, Bush and Obama administration just didn't refuse to enforce our immigration laws but refused to prosecute those who hired illegal aliens.

In 1986 the American people were told that if we reward illegal aliens amnesty, that it would never be repeated. That our borders would be secured and all of our nations immigration laws would be enforced in the interior. We were lied too.

Since then, Congress has snuck through six more amnesties with the same promises. Again we were lied too.

I don't know about you, but I've been lied too seven times.

This current bill is 800 pages long with no securing of the borders and no enforcement of the laws. It just 800 pages explaining that 20 million criminals will be legalized and given citizenship as an award for breaking our laws.

JUST ANOTHER LIE !

How wrong you are....the Obama admin has prosecuted FAR MORE corps for employing illegals than bush, who prosecuted very few. And the republicans have zero interest in prosecuting them. To my mind, they are far more culpable than the disparate people who cross the border hoping for a better life.
 
That's another issue entirely. We need to be, but politics gets in the way of that.

There's really nothing that can be done about that.

What can be addressed is the handouts given to illegals and meal ticket children for illegals.
 
It's been a crime to employ illegal aliens for some time now and the Clinton, Bush and Obama administration just didn't refuse to enforce our immigration laws but refused to prosecute those who hired illegal aliens.

In 1986 the American people were told that if we reward illegal aliens amnesty, that it would never be repeated. That our borders would be secured and all of our nations immigration laws would be enforced in the interior. We were lied too.

Since then, Congress has snuck through six more amnesties with the same promises. Again we were lied too.

I don't know about you, but I've been lied too seven times.

This current bill is 800 pages long with no securing of the borders and no enforcement of the laws. It just 800 pages explaining that 20 million criminals will be legalized and given citizenship as an award for breaking our laws.

JUST ANOTHER LIE !

How wrong you are....the Obama admin has prosecuted FAR MORE corps for employing illegals than bush, who prosecuted very few. And the republicans have zero interest in prosecuting them. To my mind, they are far more culpable than the desparate people who cross the border hoping for a better life.
 
It's been a crime to employ illegal aliens for some time now and the Clinton, Bush and Obama administration just didn't refuse to enforce our immigration laws but refused to prosecute those who hired illegal aliens.

In 1986 the American people were told that if we reward illegal aliens amnesty, that it would never be repeated. That our borders would be secured and all of our nations immigration laws would be enforced in the interior. We were lied too.

Since then, Congress has snuck through six more amnesties with the same promises. Again we were lied too.

I don't know about you, but I've been lied too seven times.

This current bill is 800 pages long with no securing of the borders and no enforcement of the laws. It just 800 pages explaining that 20 million criminals will be legalized and given citizenship as an award for breaking our laws.

JUST ANOTHER LIE !

How wrong you are....the Obama admin has prosecuted FAR MORE corps for employing illegals than bush, who prosecuted very few. And the republicans have zero interest in prosecuting them. To my mind, they are far more culpable than the desperate people who cross the border hoping for a better life.
 
As much as I hate to admit it, you're spot on on this issue. Though to be fair, Democrats don't really want it either, as demonstrated by California's complete prohibition of employers using it.

Democrats don't want it for different reasons (namely they think it's discriminatory against Hispanic Americans and that "Americans don't want that kind of work"). They're wrong, I think, but at least that's an honest argument.

The Republican argument is dishonest. They really don't want to stop illegal immigration, since it's used by big industries to suppress wages. They just pretend to be against it and do silly things like build fences, as if that can keep people out looking for a better life. Never has, never will. The GOP is counting on illegals getting in so they can be exploited. The rest is just false rhetoric.

In any case, e-verify is a good policy that honest politicians should support. If they want to change immigration laws, that's another matter. But the hiring of illegals to exploit them and suppress wages for American workers is simply bad news for everybody, but the wealthy industries that profit from it.
 
By the way, this issue will fade in the future since Mexico now has a self-sustaining middle class. We'll never see again the time when millions of workers were fleeing Mexico to come to America. Mexico's economy is strong enough so that they don't have to, not in those numbers.

Mexico accomplished their mission, they exported all of their uneducated and unskilled losers to America.

Now they are our problem.
 
How wrong you are....the Obama admin has prosecuted FAR MORE corps for employing illegals than bush, who prosecuted very few. And the republicans have zero interest in prosecuting them. To my mind, they are far more culpable than the disparate people who cross the border hoping for a better life.

You have been lied too.

The Obama administration has been busted cooking the numbers more than a few times.

How can you believe any thing that the current administration says. They have a well established record as liars. That's right, it's all about a video on You Tube.
 
How wrong you are....the Obama admin has prosecuted FAR MORE corps for employing illegals than bush, who prosecuted very few. And the republicans have zero interest in prosecuting them. To my mind, they are far more culpable than the desparate people who cross the border hoping for a better life.

See post #58.
 
How wrong you are....the Obama admin has prosecuted FAR MORE corps for employing illegals than bush, who prosecuted very few. And the republicans have zero interest in prosecuting them. To my mind, they are far more culpable than the desperate people who cross the border hoping for a better life.

Dittos again, see post #58.
 
Democrats don't want it for different reasons (namely they think it's discriminatory against Hispanic Americans and that "Americans don't want that kind of work"). They're wrong, I think, but at least that's an honest argument.

The Republican argument is dishonest. They really don't want to stop illegal immigration, since it's used by big industries to suppress wages. They just pretend to be against it and do silly things like build fences, as if that can keep people out looking for a better life. Never has, never will. The GOP is counting on illegals getting in so they can be exploited. The rest is just false rhetoric.

In any case, e-verify is a good policy that honest politicians should support. If they want to change immigration laws, that's another matter. But the hiring of illegals to exploit them and suppress wages for American workers is simply bad news for everybody, but the wealthy industries that profit from it.

Now see, this was a solid post that made your point without being all snarky. Why cant you contribute like this more often?
 
This is my idea.

Require that in order to get any ID or driver's license you present a birth certificate, green card, or certificate of naturalization and social security card.After that require a state issued ID or driver's license in order to the following-

-enroll yourself into school
-enroll your kids into school
-apply for welfare,food stamps,section 8 housing and any other tax payer assistance for yourself and or your children
-get a business license,fishing/hunting permit,building permit, license to practice law, food handlers permit, gun license(in states that require a permit to buy a gun),concealed carry permit(in states that require a license to conceal carry) or any other tax payer funded service
-open a bank account, cash a check, use a credit/debit/pre-paid card, apply for a loan,or wire money.
-rent,borrow,lease or buy property
-rent,borrow,lease or buy a motor vehicle.
-get legal documents for yourself or your children.
-get utilities

Great idea!!!!

Won't work cause you'll be considered racist for bringing it up.

Wish we could do it though!!!
 
On one hand, it will secure Democrat elections wins for the forseeable future.

On the other hand, black unemployment will reach 50 percent.

Careful what you wish for.
 
Looking forward to the House rejecting this summarily.

Well, it's mixed feelings for me. On the one hand, the immigration policy badly needs overhaul. On the other hand, the Republican House rejecting this minor attempt at reform means the Hispanics will continue to vote overwhelmingly for Democratic candidates. The Demographics are going to get you all.
 
Great idea!!!!

Won't work cause you'll be considered racist for bringing it up.

Wish we could do it though!!!

Since it would apply to everyone it would be extremely hard for them to make that claim.
 
Well, it's mixed feelings for me. On the one hand, the immigration policy badly needs overhaul. On the other hand, the Republican House rejecting this minor attempt at reform means the Hispanics will continue to vote overwhelmingly for Democratic candidates. The Demographics are going to get you all.

You call granting legal status to 12-20 million plus illegals while at the same encouraging who knows how many more people to sneak across this border while this thing is being proposed a minor attempt?
 
Since it would apply to everyone it would be extremely hard for them to make that claim.

I agree with you but since we can't make em show ID to vote
I'm afraid the same will happen with this.
 
You call granting legal status to 12-20 million plus illegals while at the same encouraging who knows how many more people to sneak across this border while this thing is being proposed a minor attempt?

Well, what's your alternative - rounding them all up, loading them in boxcars, and shipping them off to concentration camps? Wasn't that tried in Europe during the last century?
 
Well, what's your alternative - rounding them all up, loading them in boxcars, and shipping them off to concentration camps? Wasn't that tried in Europe during the last century?

Why do pro-illegals pretend that the only solution the anti-illegal immigration side has is mass roundup and not only that but pretend it wouldn't work despite operation wetback and Mexican repatriation being good successes?

While a mass round up and mass deportation is feasible since it has been done in the past these ideas would be a far cheaper solution.

Our current policy should be is to encourage illegals to go back to their countries.We can do that by making it nearly impossible for them to live in our country,punishments for those who come here illegally and punishments for scum who hire illegals so they can't get jobs.These few things should suffice-

A.Require that in order to get any ID or driver's license you present a birth certificate, green card, or certificate of naturalization and social security card.After that require a state issued ID or driver's license in order to the following-

-enroll yourself into school.
-enroll your minor children into school.
-apply for welfare,food stamps,section 8 housing and any other tax payer assistance for yourself and or your children.
-get a business license,fishing/hunting permit,building permit, license to practice law, food handlers permit, gun license(in states that require a permit to buy a gun),concealed carry permit(in states that require a license to conceal carry) or any other tax payer funded service.
-open a bank account, cash a check, use a credit/debit/pre-paid card, apply for a loan,or wire money.
-rent,borrow,lease or buy property.
-rent,borrow,lease or buy a motor vehicle.
-get legal documents for yourself or your children.
-get utilities.

B.Crack down on the scum who hire illegals.Treat them no different than we do drug dealers, mobsters and other criminals who profit from illegal activities.We do that by severely fining them, sending them to prison and make them subject asset seizure and forfeiture laws to take any property or money they acquired as a result of hiring illegals(after a criminal has proven them guilty).

C.Mandate E-verify for every employer.

D.Hire enough border guards to secure the border and make sure they will let anyone who wants to leave the US does so freely.If we can give away billions to other countries then we can most certainly hire enough border guards to secure our border.

E.Repeal part of the Immigration and Nationality act of 1965 that allows for the chain migration of relatives other than spouse or minor children.This would end anchor babies.
 
What's happening is disastrous.
The influence of previously amnestied illegals is large enough to have swayed electoral politics in several key states.
So that anyone who speaks against illegal immigration is a 'racist' and can't win a national or large state election. (Tx, Fl, etc)
It's Ironic and Sick that previously (and wrongly) amnestied illegals are so numerous they are the marginal voters on the issue.
84 senators.
Demography is destiny - ours was deteriorating - now Lost completely.
 
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Actually I agree, it's deceptively simple: immigrants come here to work. Big industries (like hospitality, agribusiness, meat packing, and manufacturing) hire them. Enforce criminal laws against that, by throwing some CEOs into jail for hiring illegals, and that will be the end of that. No jobs, and there is no reason for immigrants to come -- they simply can't get social services here.

But since this raises real issues about discrimination against Hispanic Americans, we have to have a powerful e-verify system which is as foolproof as possible In addition, since errors are inevitable, we have to have an expeditious appeal system -- if an e-verify check falsely claims a job applicant is not a US citizen, an immediate appeal should be available to correct the matter in 24 or less.

That costs money. Funny that.

By the way, this issue will fade in the future since Mexico now has a self-sustaining middle class. We'll never see again the time when millions of workers were fleeing Mexico to come to America. Mexico's economy is strong enough so that they don't have to, not in those numbers.
Just out of curiosity, what does the Mexican government consider "middle class"? Does a "middle class" Mexican live the same life style as a "middle class" American?
 
You bragging or complaining?

Guess he still hasn't figured out that Rubio is not a Tea Partier.....not that such is surprising. Besides I am getting use to his Saturday Nite Live script.

Btw Rubio says this version will be killed in the House. Guess he should know since he is one of the original creators of the Bill.

Course the major problem to the Bill. Is anything that Schumer opened his mouth to throw in his two cents worth.
 
Mexico accomplished their mission, they exported all of their uneducated and unskilled losers to America.

Now they are our problem.

The xenophobia and immigration bashing of conservatives just never lets up. Another reason they are going extinct.
 
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