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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Enough to shift the outcome in close races.
    Maybe. Maybe not. In a political climate like 2004 even with Hispanics voting 72% for Democrats like last year Republicans would still win Virginia by about a point for instance. It's better to have the votes go to you rather than against you obviously, but it doesn't guarantee an automatic win.
    There should be Instant Runoff Voting

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    The GOP needs to keep in mind that in a decade or two, Texas will become a swing state.

    If they don't work to get Hispanic votes they will lose Texas and lose the White House Ad Infinitum.
    They can't turn off the rightwing noise machine. It has to get shriller and more extreme day by day to keep the tea party base excited. So there's no turning back from the brink for the GOP. It will soon be a marginal if not regional party. And this bill will hasten that.

    Rove, that turd blossom, realizes that. He is so repentant that he included the tea party/Christian Right demographic into the GOP to win a few election. Now, like a Golem, it's turned on its maker and is destroying the GOP. Rove spends most of his time now attacking Palin, Bachmann and the rest of the tea party weirdos who arose due to his Faustian bargain.

    It's going to be fun to watch the GOP implode.

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    Maybe. Maybe not. In a political climate like 2004 even with Hispanics voting 72% for Democrats like last year Republicans would still win Virginia by about a point for instance. It's better to have the votes go to you rather than against you obviously, but it doesn't guarantee an automatic win.
    Secondarily, this bill will result in moderate republicans becoming more isolated or even expelled from the party. The bill will bring out the worst elements of the tea party, and any reasonable republican who defends it will win their undying ire. They will be replaced by radical tea party types who can't win in the general election.

    This is a fiasco for the GOP. It's beautiful to behold.

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    The Senate only voted to allow the bill to be debated before it dies.

    Did you hear Obama today lying to the American people again. Can't Obama go 24 hours without telling a lie ?

    Obama said all illegal aliens (he didn't use the legal term illegal alien) that they would pay back taxes. It's a lie ! The bill says only those who were on the books who owed taxes. Not the ten or more million who weren't on the books. If you were in the country for ten or twenty years and getting paid in cash under the table, you don't owe a penny in back taxes.
    Yeah, and if you employed illegal aliens you you have no penalty either.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    Do you really believe employers are unaware the guys they're hiring off street corners are here illegally?

    The United States needs to do away with jus soli citizenship and we need to start requiring ID for everything including registering for school.
    Plausible deniability.......

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Plausible deniability.......
    Deniability for what?

    It's not like anyone is really enforcing these laws.

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Can we call this a bipartisan bill?
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Can we call this a bipartisan bill?
    Yes, the moribund moderate half of the GOP supports it, and will soon by drowned out by the extremist tea party half for doing so. It's going to get ugly.

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    Do you really believe employers are unaware the guys they're hiring off street corners are here illegally?

    The United States needs to do away with jus soli citizenship and we need to start requiring ID for everything including registering for school.
    This is my idea.

    Require that in order to get any ID or driver's license you present a birth certificate, green card, or certificate of naturalization and social security card.After that require a state issued ID or driver's license in order to the following-

    -enroll yourself into school
    -enroll your kids into school
    -apply for welfare,food stamps,section 8 housing and any other tax payer assistance for yourself and or your children
    -get a business license,fishing/hunting permit,building permit, license to practice law, food handlers permit, gun license(in states that require a permit to buy a gun),concealed carry permit(in states that require a license to conceal carry) or any other tax payer funded service
    -open a bank account, cash a check, use a credit/debit/pre-paid card, apply for a loan,or wire money.
    -rent,borrow,lease or buy property
    -rent,borrow,lease or buy a motor vehicle.
    -get legal documents for yourself or your children.
    -get utilities
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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    You're right they do..... for state agencies and contractors.

    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/l...rify-laws.html
    Good catch.

    Here's a different list: California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas.

    Mexico

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