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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Some seem to think this has already passed in the Senate, but there's a long way to go before that might occur...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    A Harvard economist George Borjas' study shows...
    Economists have long known that immigration redistributes income in the receiving society. Although immigration makes
    the aggregate economy larger, the actual net benefit accruing to natives is small, equal to an estimated two-tenths of 1 per
    cent of GDP. There is little evidence indicating that immigration (legal and/or illegal) creates large net gains for native-born
    Americans.

    Even though the overall net impact on natives is small, this does not mean that the wage losses suffered by some natives or
    the income gains accruing to other natives are not substantial. Some groups of workers face a great deal of competition from
    immigrants. These workers are primarily, but by no means exclusively, at the bottom end of the skill distribution, doing low-
    wage jobs that require modest levels of education. Such workers make up a significant share of the nationís working poor.
    The biggest winners from immigration are owners of businesses that employ a lot of immigrant labor and other users of
    immigrant labor. The other big winners are the immigrants themselves.

    Illegal immigration continues to vex the public and policymakers. Illegal immigrants have clearly benefited by living and
    working in the United States. Many business owners and users of immigrant labor have also benefited by having access to
    their labor. But some native-born Americans have also lost, and these losers likely include a disproportionate number of the
    poorest Americans.
    http://cis.org/sites/cis.org/files/borjas-economics.pdf

    All this will do is increase profits for business owners, and increase the burden on taxpayers, while excluding taxpayers from governmental assistance, providing immigrants an unfair advantage to start businesses, and keep America's poor, poor.

    Yeah, this sounds GREAT! Break out the welcome mat!

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Its very impressive that more than 80 Senators voted for this.

    Looks like the House will have to deal with this issue after all.

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    Its very impressive that more than 80 Senators voted for this.

    Looks like the House will have to deal with this issue after all.
    This is not the final vote it is just a prelude

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    This is not the final vote it is just a prelude
    Clearly.

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Can you imagine what insulting, xenophobic and uniformed claims the House Tea Partiers are going to make in the debate on this bill?

    It's going to show the GOP in all its paranoid anti-immigrant frenzy. Another nail in the conservative coffin.

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    And bye bye GOP for the next three election cycles. This is good news.
    Not really. How much less of the Hispanic vote do you think the GOP is going to get if they don't pass it? It's not likely to get much if any worse than the 27% they got last year against a moderately popular incumbent. If we had a year like 2004, but keeping the Hispanic vote at 2012 levels, it becomes a neck and neck election for the next 3 cycles. And they already proved in 2010 they can still win the midterm cycles. I don't think this is likely to hurt them much in the short term. The problems the GOP could have is if they keep winning just 27% of the Hispanic vote 15-25 years from now.

    Check it out. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...orm.html?_r=2&
    There should be Instant Runoff Voting

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    Not really. How much less of the Hispanic vote do you think the GOP is going to get if they don't pass it? ]
    Enough to shift the outcome in close races.

    But it's not just the Hispanic vote. The ugly rhetoric I expect to hear from the House tea partiers will also turn off even more moderates. Americans don't like bullies and bigots. And the GOP is full of them. They will take center stage in this debate.

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Enough to shift the outcome in close races.
    The GOP needs to keep in mind that in a decade or two, Texas will become a swing state.

    If they don't work to get Hispanic votes they will lose Texas and lose the White House Ad Infinitum.

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    E-verify and this problem would go away in two seconds.
    Do you really believe employers are unaware the guys they're hiring off street corners are here illegally?

    The United States needs to do away with jus soli citizenship and we need to start requiring ID for everything including registering for school.

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