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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Secure our border first.
    Yep... keeping building the Berlin Wall West....

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Berlin Wall West
    LOL!

    the berlin wall was built to keep people IN

    Chuck Schumer is predicting the Senate will overwhelmingly pass comprehensive immigration reform before July 4. Marco Rubio says the bill doesn’t even have the 60 votes it needs to pass.

    And as of today, Rubio’s right.

    Granted, the Senate overwhelmingly voted Tuesday to begin debating the Gang of Eight’s immigration overhaul – 84-15. But that was expected, and it’s just the start. There is nowhere near as much agreement on the reform bill itself.

    Sen. Schumer’s rosy predictions assume that all the hurdles will work themselves out over the next few weeks of debate—and that’s a big bet, given the magnitude of the divide that has emerged not only between Democrats and Republicans, but inside the gang as well, particularly on border control.

    Senate Democratic Majority Leader Harry Reid hesitated Tuesday to talk numbers—a clear sign that Democrats know they don’t have the votes. “I want to have a bill that adheres to our principles and gets as many votes as we can. I’m not going to be talking about specific numbers,” Reid said.

    The biggest issue splitting the parties right now is how best to secure the border, and the fight is getting nasty, quick. Other potential land mines include how the Senate decides what tax, health care, and other benefits immigrants may enjoy.
    Rubio's Right. The Gang Is Far From a Supermajority on Immigration - NationalJournal.com

    other hang ups include back taxes, legalization and citizenship, gay partners (leaky patrick leahy), and leaving so much interpretation of the 1000 unread pages to janet big sis napolitano (who is an idiot) at dhs

    on each particular, polls are two to one in favor of the xenophobes, as you can imagine

    New State Polls: Voters Overwhelmingly Oppose Amnesty

    pass this bill and you will see a tide beating backlash, indies and republicans will go tea in troves

    reid calls cornyn's trigger a poison pill, schumer wants to soften it, durbin and reid won't let him (yet)

    Senate Democrats divided on immigration - Manu Raju and John Bresnahan - POLITICO.com

    because "republicans are beginning to condition their support for the whole immigration package on democrats’ agreement to include cornyn’s amendment"

    yesterday border security went down (for now)

    Senate rejects border security plan - Seung Min Kim and Burgess Everett - POLITICO.com

    there are quite a few dems who are significantly to the right of, say, susan collins, on immigration reform, for the above and other reasons---hagan, pryor, manchin, baucus, tester, landrieu, donnelly...

    Immigration Reform 2013: 7 Senate Democrats Who May Vote Against The Bill : Immigration : Latin Times

    politico: "without cornyn's proposal---or another republican-friendly border-security alternative---added to the bill, reid and schumer will fail to get 60, much less 70"

    and if anything does materially matriculate immigration-wise, the way things stand marco rubio will get probably more credit than even our most transparent president in the history of all earthlings

    Sens. Flake, Bennet urge Obama to stay on sidelines on immigration - UPI.com

    si se puede, progresistas

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    today: Schumer: Could take 'years and years and years' to secure borders - The Hill

    may, 2011: Obama says border is secure enough to begin legalization - Washington Times

    in el paso obama "checked border security off the to do list"

    who's moving the goal posts?

    stay tuned

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    The America we once knew is already headed down the road of extinction because of politically correct immigration policies that where it's what's best for the immigrant instead of what's best for America.

    Remember that it was liberal political correct immigration policies that allowed all of the 9/11 Al Qaeda terrorist to be issued visas to enter America. The 9/11 Commission Report pointed out that it was liberal political correctness that allowed the terrorist to board those four planes on the morning of 9-11-01.

    As one high ranking Department of Homeland Security pointed out, it was liberal political correct policies that allowed the Tsarnaev family (Boston Marathon bombers) to be granted an refuge visa and to come to America and suck off $1000,000 of welfare from the 53 % of Americans who actually do pay individual income taxes.
    Yes, yes, those awful brown people are going to destroy this country with their hard work and superior cuisine.

    Don't you ever get tired of being afraid.

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    The only time I ever get snarky is in response to one of your snarky posts.
    Oh the lack of self-insight is strong in this one.

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I don't know what the hell you're talking about, because I don't support exploitation, and neither does anyone I know. You need to get off the blanket labeling binge you've been on around here blaming the Tea Party and Republicans for everything. You need to look at your own side where there are lots of problems.
    Say it louder and maybe somebody will think this actually rebuts the facts I posted.

    Most illegals work in big industries (and they work hard) and big industries exploit them. Hell, they can violate all the worker protection laws and get away with it, since illegal immigrants can't complain. Statistic indicate that employers of illegal immigrants frequently fire them and don't pay the wages due them, as just an example. They also simply violate overtime and MW rules.

    Not only that, they can suppress the wages of American workers by tapping a work force of people who think subminimum wage is decent pay. A perfect conservative work world.

    And what has the GOP done about it: thrown those CEOs in jail? No, they built fences and attacked the immigrants, not the companies that exploited them.

    Now, give us some more of your discredited rightwing memes.

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Not only that, they can suppress the wages of American workers by tapping a work force of people who think subminimum wage is decent pay. A perfect conservative work world.
    LOL!

    and what happens to those suppressed wages when 10 and more million of our hard working neighbors and friends who happen to be here illegally are suddenly brought out of those dark shadows to flood the market?

    a perfect liberal world?

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Yes, yes, those awful brown people are going to destroy this country with their hard work and superior cuisine.

    Don't you ever get tired of being afraid.
    My post you responded to had more to do with liberal political correct policies on how the State Department issues student visas, tourist visas and refugee visas.

    But I digress, you want to talk about "brown people."

    Those "hard working brown people"? You also noticed how those "brown people" can take a simple task such as cleaning a toilet or cutting a lawn and turn it in to hard work. For over 200 years nobody been able to figure it out.

    I have no idea who's "superior cuisine" your referring too ? But any food that requires a lot of spices including jalapenos to mask the taste so you can get it down your esophagus isn't a cuisine. If it were, we wouldn't have needed to carry a bottle of Tabasco sauce in Vietnam when we had to eat C-Rats out in the bush.

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Say it louder and maybe somebody will think this actually rebuts the facts I posted.

    Most illegals work in big industries (and they work hard) and big industries exploit them. Hell, they can violate all the worker protection laws and get away with it, since illegal immigrants can't complain. Statistic indicate that employers of illegal immigrants frequently fire them and don't pay the wages due them, as just an example. They also simply violate overtime and MW rules.

    Not only that, they can suppress the wages of American workers by tapping a work force of people who think subminimum wage is decent pay. A perfect conservative work world.

    And what has the GOP done about it: thrown those CEOs in jail? No, they built fences and attacked the immigrants, not the companies that exploited them.

    Now, give us some more of your discredited rightwing memes.
    What are those big industries?

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    Re: In 84-15 vote, Senate moves forward on immigration reform

    today

    The fear of some bill proponents: the longer the Cornyn plan hangs out there, the more likely it will become a magnet for Republicans — and accepting anything short of it will be considered a sacrifice. If that happens, then the Gang of Eight won’t be able to get the large bipartisan majority that its leaders, including McCain and Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), are seeking.

    The border security showdown is the first major challenge to the Senate’s bipartisan immigration overhaul since it hit the floor this week, dividing the GOP and testing the ability of the Gang of Eight to negotiate a solution that picks up key Republicans without alienating Democrats.

    But with no Gang-sanctioned alternative yet, a number of Republicans — including some viewed as swing votes — are gravitating toward the Cornyn plan. It would block undocumented immigrants from gaining green cards until the government meets certain border security metrics, which Democrats view as so subjective that they may never be reached.

    There is grumbling among some Democrats that they’re in this bind because Rubio — a key Gang member — made border security an issue by saying it needed to be tightened in order to get 60 Senate votes. Then, the Florida Republican embraced the Cornyn plan when it was announced last week. And on Sean Hannity’s radio show Wednesday, Rubio described it as “an excellent place to start in terms of having that conversation.”
    Gang of Eight seeks alternative to John Cornyn amendment - Carrie Budoff Brown and Seung Min Kim - POLITICO.com

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