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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I see. So for example, if someone has a yard sale, people should be able to walk up and steal anything they want, and you advocate the owner shouldn't be allowed to do anything about it.
    The problem is that the owner isn't himself committing an illegal act by putting his property up for sale. This guy is being protected while soliciting sex, which if memory serves well, is pretty illegal in Texas. So, if he is in the process of doing something illegal, should he receive protection from the law in said situation? Again, all around a terrible descicion which sets a TERRIBLE prescedent.
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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    The presence of a weapon allows use of force.
    Not usually. Otherwise it'd be legal to (e.g.) execute someone with a holstered gun, or someone carrying a baseball bat in a non-threatening manner.

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    Fear for safety is even enough in many instances, even when the attacker is unarmed---expectation of harm allows for defense you dont HAVE to wait to be harmed, especially if within your own property and B&E has already occurred.
    A reasonable fear of death or imminent bodily harm is usually enough to use deadly force. "Reasonable" in this context requires both an actual fear of death/GBH, and a jury/judge finding that that fear was reasonable under the circumstances.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    The presence of a weapon allows use of force. Stop being silly. Fear for safety is even enough in many instances, even when the attacker is unarmed---expectation of harm allows for defense you dont HAVE to wait to be harmed, especially if within your own property and B&E has already occurred.
    If presence of a weapon is enough, then why I can't I just shoot someone who is "exercising their right to carry"? Presence is not enough to justify the use of force. An overt action so that a person has a reasonable belief of imminent bodily harm is. You are suggesting that merely taking something creates a reasonable belief. That's not true. If you are at home, and someone breaks in, you get the hell out and call the police. Any other course of action is just plain stupid.

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    I live in a world where the fear of getting blown away is the thing that supports property rights. Looks what happens when looting starts--people steal everything they can under the sun, even if they don't need it, because they can.
    You clearly do not live in this world. I am sitting in a library right now. There are a great many things besides the fear of violence that keep me from stealing something. The vast vast majority of people think the way I do in this situation. Only a very deranged few take the position that you are asserting.
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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I see. So for example, if someone has a yard sale, people should be able to walk up and steal anything they want, and you advocate the owner shouldn't be allowed to do anything about it.
    In Texas, you can only use deadly force if the item being stolen is valued more than .98 cents.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    I dont agree with the jury's decision in this case. shrug.
    Fair enough.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Not with violence. Take a snapshot and call the cops. Tell the person you've seen them and will be doing so. If you're in a position to do violence upon someone, and they're not in a position to do violence upon you, you always have better options. Property should not be a viable justification of violence. Ever.



    And when they do, then you can shoot them. Not until then. You're advocating murdering people because of things they might do. That's insane.


    So you forget to shut the front door, some people walk in, tell you not to fear they are just going to steal all your electronics and belongings and you should just take their picture and call the police.


    Insane.

    The Police would be calling the coroner when they arrived at my house.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    So you forget to shut the front door, some people walk in, tell you not to fear they are just going to steal all your electronics and belongings and you should just take their picture and call the police.
    Or, you could, y'know point your gun at the guy and tell him to freeze while you wait for the cops to arrive. Or taze him, or any number of other things that don't involve killing someone.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The problem is that the owner isn't himself committing an illegal act by putting his property up for sale. This guy is being protected while soliciting sex, which if memory serves well, is pretty illegal in Texas. So, if he is in the process of doing something illegal, should he receive protection from the law in said situation? Again, all around a terrible descicion which sets a TERRIBLE prescedent.
    I'm not passing judgement on the shooting of the escort. I can't see how that was justified. I'm mearly taking exception to the opinion that deadly force is never approproiate when property is involved.

    That's just to quaint and convenient a position to take. The blatent theft of property is such an aberation that it would be almost impossible for someone to assume they were safe while the crime was being committed.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    You clearly do not live in this world. I am sitting in a library right now. There are a great many things besides the fear of violence that keep me from stealing something. The vast vast majority of people think the way I do in this situation. Only a very deranged few take the position that you are asserting.
    You are correct, I do not reside in a castle in the sky like you. Join the PD's office as see how soon it is before them evil oppressive rights violating po po's and deputies are there to protect you from your own cracked out or mentally deranged client too and get back to me about reality.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    So you forget to shut the front door, some people walk in, tell you not to fear they are just going to steal all your electronics and belongings and you should just take their picture and call the police.

    Insane.

    The Police would be calling the coroner when they arrived at my house.
    And then you should go to prison for murder. Because you attacked people who were not attacking you. Property is no cause to justify violence.
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