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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    That's a terrible argument. If they actually use force, or you reasonably fear they will, you're within the realm of self defense/defense of others law. If, by contrast, you're just trying to protect your stuff, use of deadly force is ludicrous.
    What, youre supposed to wait for a thief to shoot you before you get to shoot back?

    In this instance, this guy was an idiot and is not making a legal defense---on the life support thing he may have a leg to stand on.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Yeah I 100% disagree with you on that. If we are not allowed to shoot people, then people will be breaking into houses and stealing stuff all day long. In this particular case, I do not think the guy should have gotten off because he was engaged in what I presume was a criminal act himself--solicitation of prostitution.
    What color is the sky in the world you live in? It's blue here on Earth, where people aren't crazy and don't steal everything in sight but for the potential to be murdered for doing so. This may be the most insane thing I've heard in a while.

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    What, youre supposed to wait for a thief to shoot you before you get to shoot back?
    Yes! You have to wait until someone uses force against you before you are allowed to do the same. Otherwise, YOU are the attacker.
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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Do you have something specific in mind? Because that doesn't make any sense.
    Easiest example is a used car. Guy sells a used car with a changed odometer. Signed contract is void because the salesman engaged in illegal behavior to make it sellable.

    If you solicit a prostitute and get ripped off, you dont have a legal right to the money because it was being used for an illegal act. Its not "theft", but both parties are in trouble. You sure cant claim you are defending your property and shoot someone after engaging in an illegal act.

    Legal defenses hold almost no weight when illegal behavior triggers the defense.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    What, youre supposed to wait for a thief to shoot you before you get to shoot back?
    Did you even read what you're responding to? I've already addressed this point:

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    If they actually use force, or you reasonably fear they will, you're within the realm of self defense/defense of others law.
    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    In this instance, this guy was an idiot and is not making a legal defense---on the life support thing he may have a leg to stand on.
    Of course he was making a legal defense. The jury bought it, which is why he was acquitted. The life support thing is less important than you might think. Best case scenario, that gets him from murder to attempted murder, and even that's dubious. An acquittal in this context requires acceptance of the weirder aspects of Texas deadly force law.
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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    All that said, I think there are lots of situation where juries make what everyone else thinks of as outrageous mistakes in acquitting people of crimes - OJ Simpson, Robert Blake, Casey Anthony, etc. I don't think fair people go around saying that California or Florida says it's OK to shoot, stab, drowned, whatever simply because 12 people in that state feel that way. But I guess Texas is an easy target for some.
    Exactly, this verdict is no more "out there" than any of the ones you mention above.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    What color is the sky in the world you live in? It's blue here on Earth, where people aren't crazy and don't steal everything in sight but for the potential to be murdered for doing so. This may be the most insane thing I've heard in a while.



    Yes! You have to wait until someone uses force against you before you are allowed to do the same. Otherwise, YOU are the attacker.
    The presence of a weapon allows use of force. Stop being silly. Fear for safety is even enough in many instances, even when the attacker is unarmed---expectation of harm allows for defense you dont HAVE to wait to be harmed, especially if within your own property and B&E has already occurred.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    What color is the sky in the world you live in? It's blue here on Earth, where people aren't crazy and don't steal everything in sight but for the potential to be murdered for doing so. This may be the most insane thing I've heard in a while.
    I live in a world where the fear of getting blown away is the thing that supports property rights. Looks what happens when looting starts--people steal everything they can under the sun, even if they don't need it, because they can.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Did you even read what you're responding to? I've already addressed this point:





    Of course he was making a legal defense. The jury bought it, which is why he was acquitted. The lift support thing is less important than you might think. Best case scenario, that gets him from murder to attempted murder, and even that's dubious. An acquittal in this context requires acceptance of the weirder aspects of Texas deadly force law.
    I dont agree with the jury's decision in this case. shrug.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    I'm moving to Texas, hell yeah.
    You'll need to bring a gun and bible to cross the state line to enter into Texas. Otherwise, if the State Troopers stop you and you don't have a gun and bible...Perry requires lethal force be used.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Easiest example is a used car. Guy sells a used car with a changed odometer. Signed contract is void because the salesman engaged in illegal behavior to make it sellable.
    The contract may or may not be void in such a situation. It depends on representations made and the degree to which the buyer relied on the odometer reading. There are several possible remedies in such a situation. Voiding the contract is only one of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    If you solicit a prostitute and get ripped off, you dont have a legal right to the money because it was being used for an illegal act. Its not "theft", but both parties are in trouble. You sure cant claim you are defending your property and shoot someone after engaging in an illegal act.
    Actually it's a lot more complicated than that. In this case, the fact that the service contract was for an illegal act (money for sex) the contract is void. That fact, by itself, does not mean that the prostitute didn't also steal the guy's money (she doesn't somehow obtain legal ownership of that money just because the guy was trying to use it for an illegal purpose). However, depending on what this woman advertised, that might bar conclusions of theft. If she advertised a "cash for time/company" deal, and followed through with her end of that deal, then she could reasonably argue that she didn't steal the money.


    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Legal defenses hold almost no weight when illegal behavior triggers the defense.
    Like I said, it's a little more complicated than what you're describing. How is this at all relevant to your contentions re: defense of property?

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