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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    I don't think there's anything wrong with the law as written, nor did Texas say it was okay to shoot this escort. The jury bought the defense's argument that this law pertained to the defendent's actions. The prosecution dropped the ball in several aspects. Chief among them - not educating the jury properly on the meaning and spirit of the law and not giving the jury the option of other charges.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Whats that make stealing stuff with force?
    A crime. You mean like a mugging? Give them your wallet and run.
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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Thats legal 101, laws arent meant to protect someone from engaging in an illegal act. Which is why Paschendale's response is so bad.
    We have plenty of laws that protect accused criminals, and even convicted criminals. The fourth, fifth, sixth and eighth amendments to the constitution, for instance.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Defense of self and defense of property are two entirely different issues. Did you see me advocate not being able to defend against bodily harm or murder? No. Just property. Protecting people with force is entirely justified. Protecting stuff with force is nonsense.
    I see. So for example, if someone has a yard sale, people should be able to walk up and steal anything they want, and you advocate the owner shouldn't be allowed to do anything about it.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Illegal, like it's always been. So what?
    Thats part of why people shoot thieves, because after you give them your stuff you dont have a guarantee they wont use force on you anyway.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Thats part of why people shoot thieves, because after you give them your stuff you dont have a guarantee they wont use force on you anyway.
    That's a terrible argument. If they actually use force, or you reasonably fear they will, you're within the realm of self defense/defense of others law. If, by contrast, you're just trying to protect your stuff, use of deadly force is ludicrous.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    We have plenty of laws that protect accused criminals, and even convicted criminals. The fourth, fifth, sixth and eighth amendments to the constitution, for instance.
    Lets go over this again in a more nuanced way.

    A law describing legal behavior is not intended to be applied as a defense to someone knowingly engaging in an illegal act.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I see. So for example, if someone has a yard sale, people should be able to walk up and steal anything they want, and you advocate the owner shouldn't be allowed to do anything about it.
    Not with violence. Take a snapshot and call the cops. Tell the person you've seen them and will be doing so. If you're in a position to do violence upon someone, and they're not in a position to do violence upon you, you always have better options. Property should not be a viable justification of violence. Ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Thats part of why people shoot thieves, because after you give them your stuff you dont have a guarantee they wont use force on you anyway.
    And when they do, then you can shoot them. Not until then. You're advocating murdering people because of things they might do. That's insane.
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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Lets go over this again in a more nuanced way.

    A law describing legal behavior is not intended to be applied as a defense to someone knowingly engaging in an illegal act.
    Do you have something specific in mind? Because that doesn't make any sense.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The very idea of a law permitting the use of deadly force to protect property demonstrates seriously skewed priorities. Stuff is insured, can be recovered, can be compensated for. There is no property valuable enough to justify killing for. It's absolute insanity. The law is already powerful enough to protect property. This isn't the wild west where a person's rights are only as effective as their ability to defend them. We've progressed 150 years past that nonsense. Relics like that should be left by the wayside.
    Yeah I 100% disagree with you on that. If we are not allowed to shoot people, then people will be breaking into houses and stealing stuff all day long. In this particular case, I do not think the guy should have gotten off because he was engaged in what I presume was a criminal act himself--solicitation of prostitution.

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