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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Oh my god!
    I half deserve that (I'm admitting that my response, at least to some extent, falsely characterized TX's law), as I didn't read the law, This is what I get for being bored and lazy where usually I'm more careful....I didn't realize that you aren't justified to shoot a robber unless they are using force to take away your property, which under some, maybe even most circumstances could be justifiable. Theft is the taking of property without the element of force.

    Based on the information given, it seems unlikely that she threatened the man with force and he was (I assert based on the information I have) unjustified in shooting her.

    However, the Jury was correct in finding him innocent of her murder (again based on the information I have) as the shooting didn't cause her death, it would appear equipment failure caused her death.

    The prosecutors in this case should be fired for attempting to seek a murder charge....

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    The very idea of a law permitting the use of deadly force to protect property demonstrates seriously skewed priorities. Stuff is insured, can be recovered, can be compensated for. There is no property valuable enough to justify killing for. It's absolute insanity. The law is already powerful enough to protect property. This isn't the wild west where a person's rights are only as effective as their ability to defend them. We've progressed 150 years past that nonsense. Relics like that should be left by the wayside.
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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Then she should have given him his money back, otherwise she was robbing him. It is alright to shoot a robber if he takes your property.
    No, she was an "escort." He was paying for her time. All the craigslist ads say so!
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The very idea of a law permitting the use of deadly force to protect property demonstrates seriously skewed priorities. Stuff is insured, can be recovered, can be compensated for. There is no property valuable enough to justify killing for. It's absolute insanity. The law is already powerful enough to protect property. This isn't the wild west where a person's rights are only as effective as their ability to defend them. We've progressed 150 years past that nonsense. Relics like that should be left by the wayside.
    The problem is thieves often commit bodily harm and murder even after recieving the property they demand.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    The problem is thieves often commit bodily harm and murder even after recieving the property they demand.
    And there are laws to protect state residents who defend themselves against such intruders, however there HAS to exist a kind of a gray area for a situation like this. Otherwise, this just sets a really bad precedent where it is alright to just shoot a hooker who won't **** you or deal you drugs and decides to walk away. This guy tried to murder somebody who wasn't trying to attack him while he himself was in the process of committing an illegal act. What? If I go broke tomorrow and my partners don't, can I shoot up a business partner if I feel they stole from me? How does it work? If I hire a hooker to give me head, and instead she walks away with my money, can I shoot her? No. Castle doctrine laws, stand your ground laws, etc aren't created to defend people who are in the process of committing an illegal act. They're there to protect people from illegal activities that put them in bodily harm.
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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    SO...I read the cited article and a few others and before I could answer the question as to if the mans actions were illegal or not there would certainly have to be more info. If he got robbed, then hunted her down and shot her...case closed...he should go to prison and earn back his $150.00 the hard way. But the story mentions a hooker/thief and her driver/pimp. So...whahappun? Did dood just confront her and shoot her? Did he confront the pimp? How did she get shot?

    At the end of the day...he probably doesnt have a legal leg to stand on no matter what. He paid 150 bucks to get screwed...and by all accounts...he did.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    The problem is thieves often commit bodily harm and murder even after recieving the property they demand.
    Defense of self and defense of property are two entirely different issues. Did you see me advocate not being able to defend against bodily harm or murder? No. Just property. Protecting people with force is entirely justified. Protecting stuff with force is nonsense.
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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Defense of self and defense of property are two entirely different issues. Did you see me advocate not being able to defend against bodily harm or murder? No. Just property. Protecting people with force is entirely justified. Protecting stuff with force is nonsense.
    Whats that make stealing stuff with force?

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    And there are laws to protect state residents who defend themselves against such intruders, however there HAS to exist a kind of a gray area for a situation like this. Otherwise, this just sets a really bad precedent where it is alright to just shoot a hooker who won't **** you or deal you drugs and decides to walk away. This guy tried to murder somebody who wasn't trying to attack him while he himself was in the process of committing an illegal act. What? If I go broke tomorrow and my partners don't, can I shoot up a business partner if I feel they stole from me? How does it work? If I hire a hooker to give me head, and instead she walks away with my money, can I shoot her? No. Castle doctrine laws, stand your ground laws, etc aren't created to defend people who are in the process of committing an illegal act. They're there to protect people from illegal activities that put them in bodily harm.
    Thats legal 101, laws arent meant to protect someone from engaging in an illegal act. Which is why Paschendale's response is so bad.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Whats that make stealing stuff with force?
    Illegal, like it's always been. So what?

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