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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Then she should have given him his money back, otherwise she was robbing him. It is alright to shoot a robber if he takes your property.
    No it's not. Not even in Texas. There is a significant caveat to that law which is that the shooter has to reasonably believes he has no other way to get his property back. If he had contact information for the woman - which seems likely - then he had other means of getting his property back.

    Obviously the jury disagreed so there may be more to this picture.
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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    http://gawker.com/texas-says-its-ok-...have-511636423

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    Is there anyone with the balls to defend this?


    Sounds pretty fracked-up on the surface, but I'd need a lot more detail to form a conclusive opinion.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    It's Texas for crissakes. Nothing surprises me out of Texas.

    Don't mess with Texas. They will execute you. But you can mess with Texas hookers. That's okay.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I guess the jury disagrees with you. Juries actually make law.
    I'd say lawmakers make laws, Juries give their opinion at trial and appeals courts decide if all was kosher. The final arbitrator of any law is the Supreme court.

    What amazes me is the defendant can admit he thought he was getting an illegal act for the money rather than just some of her time.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    No it's not. Not even in Texas. There is a significant caveat to that law which is that the shooter has to reasonably believes he has no other way to get his property back. If he had contact information for the woman - which seems likely - then he had other means of getting his property back.

    Obviously the jury disagreed so there may be more to this picture.
    The other issue that no one's raised yet is that depending on how you look at it, she didn't necessarily steal his money. Most prostitutes who advertise online (and I don't think they're allowed to advertise on craigslist anymore) have disclaimers stating that you're paying for their time and their company, and not for sex. If she delivered her time and company, the legal transaction was technically complete. Of course obviously the illegal transaction (i.e. sex for money) is obviously what this guy signed up for; but contracts to do something illegal are void anyway. So can you really claim that someone you've voluntarily given money to -who has completed the terms of the legal agreement as advertised - has stolen your money?

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I guess the jury disagrees with you. Juries actually make law.
    No they don't. They apply the law to a given set of facts.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I guess the jury disagrees with you. Juries actually make law.
    No, actually Juries don't make law. Legislatures make law. The fact that you believe juries make laws puts a lot of your other posts into context, however. This is just another example of Justice, Texas style. Makes winning the Civil War look like it might have been a mistake.
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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    She allegedly robbed him.....

    The problem with letting people decide the guilt or innocence of another person without an understanding of all the facts ultimately will lead to mistakes. Laws like those in TX are guaranteed, on a long enough timeline, to lead to these types of cases.
    You talk about not understanding all the facts, then you assume to know them and accuse this man of murder.

    We can judge her character as a prostitute and decide her guilt.....But the reality is we really don't know her situation.
    And you don't know his situation either. It looks like she attempted to rob the wrong man.

    While very unlikely, maybe her pimp told her to take the guys money without providing services or he'd hurt or kill her. I admit it's far fetched, but not impossible in this situation or another.
    Did you just make this up? I guess it could be, or maybe she was in the process of beaming up to the mother ship and this was his only sure way to get his money back. I admit it's far-fetched but anythings possible, right?

    Texas lets you be judge and jury, they let you decide if you have the right to take another life in the defense of your property. So the idea that you are innocent until proven guilty fly's out the door.
    Simple solution. Stay off of other's property unless invited. In this case, what flew out the door was this woman's right to steal his money.

    I could see something like this being abused. Lets say I sold something to someone I didn't like and they came over to my house to pick it up....Upon driving away with it I shoot him and claim he stole it. Well, if he is dead, he can't defend himself....Now what? Again, unlikely? Perhaps, but not beyond belief.
    More fiction I see, chapter 2.

    What if she threw the money on the floor before he left and he didn't see it? Do you think that if he lost sight of her for 3 seconds he would assume that? Do you think he announced his intention to attempt to kill her if she didn't give him the money back? (maybe many not).
    Chapter 3.

    What about untrained people wielding guns in the defense of their property. What about stray bullets? Are we ok accepting that risk? Is it realistic in a culture that advocates the possession of a weapon with absolutely no training required that they should know, not only how to use it, but all the potential results of their actions under duress?
    You assume a lot, don't you? Why assume this man or any other gun owner doesn't have any training, just because you don't.

    I think the thing that appalls the average person is that this 23 year old woman was, as the result of her stealing 1-3 days pay, was sentenced to life trapped inside her body for 50 more years (she was paralyzed) assuming she would have lived an average life. Was her freedom or her life only worth $150?
    Evidently, she didn't value her freedom enough to understand that robbing people can have bad consequences.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    No it's not. Not even in Texas. There is a significant caveat to that law which is that the shooter has to reasonably believes he has no other way to get his property back. If he had contact information for the woman - which seems likely - then he had other means of getting his property back.

    Obviously the jury disagreed so there may be more to this picture.
    Who lives in Texas, me or you? I was born in Texas and have both taken the CCL course and carry a pistol regularly. I suggest you worry about the repressive gun laws you deal with in New York and leave us alone. We don't need or want your input.

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