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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    California law allows the use of deadly force when someone enters your home, and starts stealing your property, while holding you hostage.
    California law allows use of deadly force when you are reasonably in fear of imminent death/gbh. That might very well include a hostage situation. It depends on the details.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    A course of action that isn't always possible. Let's say your 2yo is asleep on one side of the house and you're on the other side.
    Let's say any number of improbable possibilities. Let's add an erupting volcano to the mix, too. If there is an infant in the mix, and reasonable proof to suspect danger, you can use violence. The whole argument here is that mere presence in someone else's home, or the taking of property, create a reasonable belief in imminent harm. That's complete nonsense.

    Regardless, you still make the situation worse by escalating violence.
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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    California law allows use of deadly force when you are reasonably in fear of imminent death/gbh. That might very well include a hostage situation. It depends on the details.
    Exactly. Someone walks into your home and tells you to sit down while they steal your property is now holding you hostage. Deadly force would be justified.

    Breaking into an occupied home in California is grounds for using deadly force on the part of it's occupants.

    However, chasing them down the street firing off rounds is going to result in some real close questioning by appropriate authorities.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I'm really not talking about this case, and I gather that even this argument wasn't the crux of his defense. I'm saying that the law in question is extremely flawed and should be changed.



    Well, that's a start.



    That is a TERRIBLE by-product. Situations that could have been completely devoid of violence and injury are now more likely to end with someone hurt or dead. That's awful. Completely contrary to any sane person's objectives in crafting a law or protecting society. "Makes it easier to rid society" of thieves? No, you're just creating incentive for them to attack first and kill you before you can defend yourself. The only result of this is a lot more dead innocent people.
    We just see life completely differently. We value our freedom and our property and will defend them. Some would say it's not worth it or I just don't want to deal with it and run away, but overall this attitude will likely cause more problems than standing up to criminals. If the criminal element knows you won't run, many will go elsewhere.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Exactly. Someone walks into your home and tells you to sit down while they steal your property is now holding you hostage. Deadly force would be justified.
    No. If they've just told you to sit down without brandishing a weapon or even displaying any type of aggression deadly force would not be justified.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Breaking into an occupied home in California is grounds for using deadly force on the part of it's occupants.
    Maybe. It depends on the circumstances.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    this is un****ingbelievable, and apparently, it's real. that's one dumb jury.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    No. If they've just told you to sit down without brandishing a weapon or even displaying any type of aggression deadly force would not be justified.



    Maybe. It depends on the circumstances.
    I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Being held hostage is considered being held in imminent danger. Any force, including deadly force would be legal.

    The law reads that someone standing on your property is not sufficient cause to use deadly force.

    Breaking into your home while you are there is. There is no expectation that one is required to establish a threat level before trying to protect themselves.

    If one should see someone break into their garage, the standard is different. Better have strong evidence to support deadly force in that type of circumstance.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    I have very little actual understanding of how law enforcement/justice system operates. It would seem that if the charges brought against him fit his crime, shooting someone in the neck because he was angry, then surely he'd have been found guilty. If they went for murder and it wasn't murder, that was the prosecutions fault right?

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    After 20 minutes she left with the $150, but he wanted his money back. Then he came out with an AK and started shooting at the passenger side of the car. He said that he was just trying to shoot out the tires to stop it and get his money back. But she was hit in the back and the neck.
    Good lord, shot up the car with an AK? It would be funny if it weren't so tragic. What the hell kind of society do we have? Maybe this guy never bought a health club membership where he thought he paid monthly, only to find out he owes $800, or that the SUV raffle lead to the time share which had so many strings attached that made it more painful to use than not, etc. Good gods. An escort on craigslist and he excepted it to be BBB verified eh?

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