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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    In Texas, you can only use deadly force if the item being stolen is valued more than .98 cents.
    Make sense. Anyone stealing something in Texas worth less deserves what they get.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The very idea of a law permitting the use of deadly force to protect property demonstrates seriously skewed priorities. Stuff is insured, can be recovered, can be compensated for. There is no property valuable enough to justify killing for. It's absolute insanity. The law is already powerful enough to protect property. This isn't the wild west where a person's rights are only as effective as their ability to defend them. We've progressed 150 years past that nonsense. Relics like that should be left by the wayside.
    I understand how you feel. However, the jury heard all the evidence, we didn't. They found him not guility; I'm willing to accept it.

    I don't know that I would shoot someone stealing my truck, but I do have that right, and I support the law the way it is. If one doesn't want to take a chance on being shot and killed, don't rob and steal.

    One good by-product of this law is that people who steal and rob now are very likely to escalate to other more violent crimes in the future. This isn't a given, but it is generally true. So in this sense, it makes the job easier to rid society of this now rather than wait until they graduate to murder.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And then you should go to prison for murder. Because you attacked people who were not attacking you. Property is no cause to justify violence.
    Fortunately, you're not the one writing the book. Which is a very good thing.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, she was an "escort." He was paying for her time. All the craigslist ads say so!
    Right, she probably worked as a nun when she wasn't escorting men around, but she certainly couldn't be a prostitute.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Make sense. Anyone stealing something in Texas worth less deserves what they get.
    That's as absurd as the OP, I'd say....wouldn't you?

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Fortunately, you're not the one writing the book. Which is a very good thing.
    You live in California. You can't use deadly force to protect property in California. California has a limited stand your ground law in the case of home invasions, but generally speaking, if you use deadly force here when you're not in reasonable fear of imminent death/gbh, you're going to go to prison for a very long time.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    That's as absurd as the OP, I'd say....wouldn't you?
    I suppose the message is, don't steal in Texas.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Sounds pretty fracked-up on the surface, but I'd need a lot more detail to form a conclusive opinion.
    Here's the details that I've heard. They might be accurate or might not be.

    Gilbert found Frago's craigslist ad under "escort services" that advertised 20 minutes for $150. After she arrived at his apartment he gave her the $150. But when he made sexual advances she informed him that the $150 was for her driver (pimp) and that any sexual favors would cost him extra.

    Apparently he did not want to pay extra or did not have the extra money and was under the impression that the initial $150 fee was supposed to include sex.

    After 20 minutes she left with the $150, but he wanted his money back. Then he came out with an AK and started shooting at the passenger side of the car. He said that he was just trying to shoot out the tires to stop it and get his money back. But she was hit in the back and the neck.

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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    I understand how you feel. However, the jury heard all the evidence, we didn't. They found him not guility; I'm willing to accept it.
    I'm really not talking about this case, and I gather that even this argument wasn't the crux of his defense. I'm saying that the law in question is extremely flawed and should be changed.

    I don't know that I would shoot someone stealing my truck, but I do have that right, and I support the law the way it is. If one doesn't want to take a chance on being shot and killed, don't rob and steal.
    Well, that's a start.

    One good by-product of this law is that people who steal and rob now are very likely to escalate to other more violent crimes in the future. This isn't a given, but it is generally true. So in this sense, it makes the job easier to rid society of this now rather than wait until they graduate to murder.
    That is a TERRIBLE by-product. Situations that could have been completely devoid of violence and injury are now more likely to end with someone hurt or dead. That's awful. Completely contrary to any sane person's objectives in crafting a law or protecting society. "Makes it easier to rid society" of thieves? No, you're just creating incentive for them to attack first and kill you before you can defend yourself. The only result of this is a lot more dead innocent people.
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    Re: Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    You live in California. You can't use deadly force to protect property in California. California has a limited stand your ground law in the case of home invasions, but generally speaking, if you use deadly force here when you're not in reasonable fear of imminent death/gbh, you're going to go to prison for a very long time.
    Yes. California is the "crooks are just misunderstood angels" state. Just one of many explanations for California's demise.

    However, the definition of "reasonable" allows for quite a bit of latitude doesn't it?

    That's why it's best to practice gun safety and become a good shoot. One clean shot to solve the problem for eternity is easier to explain than unloading a clip of wild shots into the person stealing your car stereo.

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