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High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, don’t be CEOs

Seems this dude intentionally left out the part where men need to step up and be real men in this world
 
Seems this dude intentionally left out the part where men need to step up and be real men in this world

Members of BOTH genders need to step up and take responsibility for their appropriate and proper roles in life.
 
What was factually wrong with the statement? He was espousing an ideology. Ideology =/ fact.

You also misuse the term misogynistic which by definition alludes to the hate or dislike of women. Just because a person opines that one should fulfill a traditional role does not equal hate or dislike. Your extremism in your terminology is indicative of more hatred and dislike than the graduation speaker ever showed.

No one has misunderstood your point. You disagree with his ideology and are willing to engage in distortion of words and statements to condemn it which is indicative of the culture of political correctness.

At some point it'd be really nice if conservatives figured out that they're the only people bringing up political correctness as if it matters. My concerns have nothing to do with political correctness, so to the extent that you're commenting on it, you're not understanding what I'm saying. My concerns have to do with 1) the factual inaccuracy of the statement, and 2) the underlying misogyny which is, in fact, archaic. There's nothing wrong with being old fashioned in theory. There are plenty of things wrong with quite a lot of old fashioned thinking to the extent that it's bigoted, misogynistic, etc.

So no, I really didn't prove his point, you've misunderstood mine.
 
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I'm gonna guess a few people here at DP think this train of thought hits a big nail squarely on the head. :shock:

What? That the future of a society rests on how well we nurture our children? That a mother's greatest role is the one she plays in raising her kids? That anyone would be offended or shocked about this says a lot about why our society's social fabric is falling apart, although I think the teacher is a little misguided as to where the problem really lies. If a woman is a CEO, she probably didn't have kids. OR she delayed having them until her career was well established, then she dropped out of the workforce in order to devote more time to them for some period of time. She's probably married, and will likely stay married. She graduated from college but didn't marry until AFTER she graduated. No, I'm not worried about the kids of the CEO. I'm worried about everyone else, like the 48% of first-born kids born out of wedlock.
 
Women are welcome to achieve success, but if they (and the fathers) would commit to raising their children properly, we wouldn't have half the issues with people we have today.

Parenting is something only about 50 percent of kids actually get.
 
Reading comprehension. You should try it. That's not what she said. :roll:

I know exactly what she said and having had a lot of experience with her posts on abortion threads I think I have her pegged pretty well. But thanks for putting your two cents worth in - I'm sure as an independent woman she greatly appreciates someone else defending her and speaking on her behalf.
 
Seems this dude intentionally left out the part where men need to step up and be real men in this world

Seems you only read the part the OP and the author of the article wanted you to read in order to make their politically correct point - if you'd seen the entire speech you'd know he did just what you suggest he intentionally didn't do.
 
In 2013 people need 2 incomes to support themselves and their children llpeople can litterally not afford to stay home all day to look after the children . The greatest impact for a women was raiseing children in the 1950's . Besides I met a few males who are practically arm candy for woman those roles are changing .

So why are so many young women having kids out of wedlock then? Some of them have a brood with multiple daddies before they can legally get a drink. Maybe it's time to bring the word "bastard" back into the common lexicon again and worry more about the kid's feelings before he's born.
 
So why are so many young women having kids out of wedlock then? Some of them have a brood with multiple daddies before they can legally get a drink. Maybe it's time to bring the word "bastard" back into the common lexicon again and worry more about the kid's feelings before he's born.

You think those "young women" are working and supporting themselves and their kids? Lol....they're still living off mommy and daddy.


And that's just great....you want to label the defenseless and 100% innocent kid with a insulting and degrading moniker. Excellent.
 
I have seen many very determined stay at home mothers in many areas of their lives and I'm not going to humor the idea they just did nothing but sit on their asses and take care of kids when many of them did not.

No one is saying that they sat on their asses, my mother certaintly didnt. But Women who go out and strive to be successful should be encouraged and appluaded for their ambition/ drive to provide for their family.
 
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He also told men that their role in their family was more important than making $1 million. What he told everybody was that their family was the most important thing they would ever do with their lives.

And no one is criticizing that part of what he said

The part where he promoted "traditional gender roles" is the part that is being criticized
 
No one is saying that they sat on their asses, my mother certaintly didnt. But Women who go out and strive to be successful should be encouraged and appluaded for their ambition/ drive to provide for their family.

Bravo!!!!!!!!! Thank you.
 
Seems you only read the part the OP and the author of the article wanted you to read in order to make their politically correct point - if you'd seen the entire speech you'd know he did just what you suggest he intentionally didn't do.

Really. Suppose you clue is in as to his wording about that since you know so much.
 
No one is saying that they sat on their asses, my mother certaintly didnt. But Women who go out and strive to be successful should be encouraged and appluaded for their ambition/ drive to provide for their family.

What makes you think the speaker didn't do just that? He said, to paraphrase - if you choose to work, God bless you in that.

He didn't denigrade that. What he did do is encourage, challenge, young people to ignore the current social pressure to have a career and make scads of money and have lots of material wealth and buck the trend and see being a great wife and mother or a great husband and father as being spectacular achievements as well. Just because you encourage in one direction doesn't mean you're denigrading another.
 
Really. Suppose you clue is in as to his wording about that since you know so much.

I'll paraphrase and let you do your own research if you want more - he encouraged young men not to be consumed by being a successful entrepreneur, making millions, and encouraged them to be great husbands and fathers who protect and provide for their family.

His message, in its entirety, was basically not to be consumed by material wealth and to see the value in being the best spouse and parent you can be and not make those secondary to successful careers and money.
 
Really. Suppose you clue is in as to his wording about that since you know so much.

Why don't you go back and read the thread, all this has been discussed, asked and answered.
 
I'll paraphrase and let you do your own research if you want more - he encouraged young men not to be consumed by being a successful entrepreneur, making millions, and encouraged them to be great husbands and fathers who protect and provide for their family.

His message, in its entirety, was basically not to be consumed by material wealth and to see the value in being the best spouse and parent you can be and not make those secondary to successful careers and money.

I don't do your research. You paraphrasing is worthless for credibilities' sake. .
 
I don't do your research. You paraphrasing is worthless for credibilities' sake. .

You apparently didn't read the thread either. Come on back when you have. Until then your comments are worthless.
 
What makes you think the speaker didn't do just that? He said, to paraphrase - if you choose to work, God bless you in that.

He didn't denigrade that. What he did do is encourage, challenge, young people to ignore the current social pressure to have a career and make scads of money and have lots of material wealth and buck the trend and see being a great wife and mother or a great husband and father as being spectacular achievements as well. Just because you encourage in one direction doesn't mean you're denigrading another.

True to the first part.

What's irritating is that the average working mother will not be seeking out scads of money - she will struggle to balance career and motherhood to simply cover the basic bills. Very few enter into the higher end of the working field - in part because that takes time to climb *up* to - and by that point many hard working mothers don't have young children at home.

A lot of women stay at home for those first few years - OR - build a career, put it on hold to raise a family - then change, again, back to career when their kids are older.

For an educated man - he doesn't seem to understand this at all. (orator - not fellow poster)

My niece is 3 - She's precocious, bossy, thorough, exceptionally smart, and organized . . . my sister has always been a successful business woman - and her husband struggled with his choice to be an architect. So he works part time - stays at home mostly with my niece . . . and my sister works 24/7

My niece hasn't suffered in the least - and she never will.

The best family is the one who puts the parent's ideal talents and skills to maximum use to make it and support their children.
 
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True to the first part.

What's irritating is that the average working mother will not be seeking out scads of money - she will struggle to balance career and motherhood to simply cover the basic bills. Very few enter into the higher end of the working field - in part because that takes time to climb *up* to - and by that point many hard working mothers don't have young children at home.

A lot of women stay at home for those first few years - OR - build a career, put it on hold to raise a family - then change, again, back to career when their kids are older.

For an educated man - he doesn't seem to understand this at all. (orator - not fellow poster)

That's fair comment - and as a social studies teacher, likely with a lot of the "soft" sciences in his background, I think he's more interested in the spiritual and social aspects of the students' lives and not so much the day to day struggles of life's realities. Commencement speeches are supposed to be more inspirational and aspirational rather than detailed. But I get your point.
 
From the OP:

“It was good that he said that,” junior Marina Swaggerty told WRTV. “Parents need to be there for their kids. Lately people are getting too into their jobs and not caring enough about their kids, and they are failing through high school.”

The junior’s mother, Lisa Swaggerty, told the Indianapolis ABC affiliate that she understood Heck to be calling for a balance between career and family.

Other audience members reacted negatively to the remarks.

“It jumped out at me that he said they shouldn’t pursue a professional career,” junior Corey Parton told WRTV. “Maybe that’s not how he meant it. Maybe he does want women to be successful and get a college degree, but it was a little out of place.”

Another student added that his grandmother was particularly offended.

It seems the audience had the same diversity of take aways as we have had here. Seems about right for a commencement address. In fact, from all the ones I've heard myself over the years I'd say this is about the standard reaction.
 
No one is saying that they sat on their asses, my mother certaintly didnt. But Women who go out and strive to be successful should be encouraged and appluaded for their ambition/ drive to provide for their family.

And stay at home moms should not be demeaned when they are doing the most important job there is. People should also not consider them as lacking ambition when they is other activities outside of a job that one can be showing a strong desire to achieve.
 
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