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High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, don’t be CEOs

shrubnose said:
Some men can't be daddies.
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Like - they're impotent?

Doesn't matter . . . anyone can be a father or father figure if they WANT to.

I find it silly to imagine that men can be successful fathers and good examples if they're gainfully employed - whereas some imagine that women can't eb successful mothers and good example if they are gainfully employed.

It's illogical . . . what makes the difference? Is it the breasts? :) (yes a bit of snide humor)
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Are the mother as caretaker and father as provider/protector stereotypical gender roles for women and men, respectively?
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They are traditional roles. What is wrong with it again?

Btw, he combined provider/caretaker for the woman. Did you notice that?
 
Henrin said:
There is nothing bigoted about his statement. Try again.
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Never said there was. I said his statement was misogynistic. I said there are many old fashioned things that are bigoted. Do try to read more closely.

Henrin said:
I'm sorry, but when you used the word archaic you did not make any sort of effort to put any importance on exactly what it might be. That is not my mistake, but yours.
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Uh huh. Keep telling yourself that.

Henrin said:
Btw, the only reason any of this matters to anyone ever is political correctness.
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Well, that's clearly why you're so involved in this issue. It sure isn't why I am.
 
Aderleth said:
Who said anything about political correctness? Certainly not me. The statement was wrong because it's factually inaccurate and based in archaic thinking re: women.
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Look for the boobs. Biologically, that ought to tell you who should take care of the kids.
 
Henrin said:
Doesn't the bolded kind of prove his point? There is nothing wrong with being old fashioned generally speaking. We don't all have to live by the new ways of thinking and it might just be the old way is better. Since being old fashioned these days is thought of as politically incorrect, I'm sorry, but you just proved his point.
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Thanks for having my back.

First it was archaic. Now its mysogynistic. Heck, it must be plain politically incorrect which makes it morally wrong.
 
Aderleth said:
Never said there was. I said his statement was misogynistic. I said there are many old fashioned things that are bigoted. Do try to read more closely.
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And they are not misogynistic. You were just told they were, but no, they are not.

Uh huh. Keep telling yourself that.
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That was what occurred.

Well, that's clearly why you're so involved in this issue. It sure isn't why I am.
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I'm not the one bitching about what someone said as if it matters.
 
Henrin said:
:roll: You're still wrong.
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so your saying a CEO doesnt have more ambition than someone who stays at home? You know how hard it is to become a CEO of any company right?
 
Higgins86 said:
so your saying a CEO doesnt have more ambition than someone who stays at home? You know how hard it is to become a CEO of any company right?
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Your statement was an absolute statement. I don't really care for one exception in this case.
 
Dragonfly said:
High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, don

I'm gonna guess a few people here at DP think this train of thought hits a big nail squarely on the head. :shock:
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Great. Another idiot telling human beings with vaginas that their vaginas are their only source of worth. Just what we needed. :roll:

We need more people who are invested in their gifts and ambitions, whatever they are. We need parents who actually CARE about their role, and we need career people who CARE about their role.

We need people who care about ethics more than money, whatever the cost and whatever the embodiment.

And we need people like this to be labeled as what they are: people profoundly fearful of having to compete with people with vaginas.

I can only hope there were no girls in that audience who were vulnerable enough for this petty man to break their spirit. But unfortunately, I know I am probably hoping against the odds. Another girl with a gift lost to the world.

And perhaps, a boy as well. There are men with a gift for the home life as well.
 
Henrin said:
Your statement was an absolute statement. I don't really care for one exception in this case.
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meh its true either way. Anyone who strives to better themselves in any form of employment is ambitous, certaintly more ambitious than an employee who remains in the same position or a stay at home parent. Choosing to remain at home all your life is great and traditional but its not very ambitous.
 
Higgins86 said:
meh its true either way. Anyone who strives to better themselves in any form of employment is ambitous, certaintly more ambitious than an employee who remains in the same position or a stay at home parent. Choosing to remain at home all your life is great and traditional but its not very ambitous.
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That is just your opinion.
 
Dragonfly said:
So you're the prototypical "a woman's place is in the home, cooking, cleaning, barefoot, and pregnant" type of girl ???
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That's not what he said though. He said being a parent would be the most important thing you ever do with your life no matter what you do. And it is.
 
jwzg said:
Look for the boobs. Biologically, that ought to tell you who should take care of the kids.
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Why? Do they serve a reason biologically other than to attract men and turn off portions of their brains?

OMG, I almost forgot, they are the method nature provided to feed infants. Strange that men don't get that ability, or is it that biology is telling us something?
 
rocket88 said:
That's not what he said though. He said being a parent would be the most important thing you ever do with your life no matter what you do. And it is.
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Well, no. He encouraged women to be stay at home moms and men to be the protectors and providers. If his message was as simple as "being a parent is important", then he wouldn't have supported it by telling people to occupy stereotypical gender roles. He would have told the men that they should also consider staying home and told the women that they should also consider being the protector and provider.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Great. Another idiot telling human beings with vaginas that their vaginas are their only source of worth. Just what we needed. :roll:
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Yeah, because we all know it's your vagina that does the actual work of raising and nuturing a family. :roll:
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Well, no. He encouraged women to be stay at home moms and men to be the protectors and providers. If his message was as simple as "being a parent is important", then he wouldn't have supported it by telling people to occupy stereotypical gender roles. He would have told the men that they should also consider staying home and told the women that they should also consider being the protector and provider.
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OMFG, traditional gender roles! Sexist stuff is afoot!

Now, how do you explain how he changed the traditional role of the woman to provider and mother? You didn't notice that did you? The point is that he didn't even use traditional roles.

Btw, why does the job of both genders have to be exactly the same? Are we to believe they all share the same strengths and weaknesses? Why is it wrong to say they should work off each other? Did any of you guys even consider that these roles didn't just come out of a sexist mindset?

The non-working role did come out of a sexist mindset if I recall, but what you are so uptight about did not.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Well, no. He encouraged women to be stay at home moms and men to be the protectors and providers. If his message was as simple as "being a parent is important", then he wouldn't have supported it by telling people to occupy stereotypical gender roles. He would have told the men that they should also consider staying home and told the women that they should also consider being the protector and provider.
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I read what he said, he said you should be "invested" in your children, and that was far more important than anything you can accomplish in your career. He didn't say don't pursue a career. He didn't say to stay home and occupy any gender role. He said being a good mother would make more difference in the world than anything you're likely to do in your career.
 
rocket88 said:
I read what he said, he said you should be "invested" in your children, and that was far more important than anything you can accomplish in your career. He didn't say don't pursue a career. He didn't say to stay home and occupy any gender role. He said being a good mother would make more difference in the world than anything you're likely to do in your career.
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The issue is why didnt he also direct this to the men in the audience, he targetted the women because he is still holding on to the traditional household roles.
 
Higgins86 said:
The issue is why didnt he also direct this to the men in the audience, he targetted the women because he is still holding on to the traditional household roles.
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He also told men that their role in their family was more important than making $1 million. What he told everybody was that their family was the most important thing they would ever do with their lives.
 
rocket88 said:
I read what he said, he said you should be "invested" in your children, and that was far more important than anything you can accomplish in your career. He didn't say don't pursue a career. He didn't say to stay home and occupy any gender role. He said being a good mother would make more difference in the world than anything you're likely to do in your career.
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I read what he said too. He not only said everything that you mentioned. He also specifically encouraged women to be stay at home moms and encouraged men to be providers and protectors. That's what I am talking about. Can you address that instead of avoiding it?
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I read what he said too. He not only said everything that you mentioned. He also specifically encouraged women to be stay at home moms and encouraged men to be providers and protectors. That's what I am talking about. Can you address that instead of avoiding it?
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And once again we are back around to "what is wrong with suggesting women be stay at home moms?"

After all, our society is so, so much better during the era of women putting careers ahead of family than we were when women raised their children first and worked after. NOT.
 
DVSentinel said:
And once again we are back around to "what is wrong with suggesting women be stay at home moms?"

After all, our society is so, so much better during the era of women putting careers ahead of family than we were when women raised their children first and worked after. NOT.
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Yeah, my problem is that he didn't tell both the boys and girls in the audience that they could BOTH consider being stay at home parents or being the provider and protector. Had he done that, I wouldn't have a problem because I get the argument that family is important. But when you start encouraging young people to occupy stereotypical gender roles, you become a problem.
 
clownboy said:
Yeah, because we all know it's your vagina that does the actual work of raising and nuturing a family. :roll:
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The way guys like this fight against women working competitively, that's what they promote. Unfit and unmotivated people taking up a cause that isn't theirs.

But besides that, I said source of worth, not method of execution. Where do babies come from again?
 
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