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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    My mother figured prominently in my life not just because she was a tough mother, but as an adolescent and young adult, it was her role as a career woman and her political work that influenced me even more.
    I had a similar experience growing up. It largely shaped my attitude towards the role of women now. I like strong, smart, opinionated women with goals, educations and ambitions. If I wanted a dependent, I'd get a cat.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Indeed, and no one, not even in the OP is saying that women can't make all those choices, or that they are terrible human beings for doing so. But right now, we need great mothers to engineer great families more than just about anything else. So the call goes out - that's precisely what happens in commencement speeches.
    That is basically what the quote in the OP said. Saying that it is not our place to work, and the only real way we can make a difference is to be in the kitchen barefoot raising babies. It is the same old tired sexist sentiment that has been around for years.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    A woman's biggest impact on the world is their ability to have children, to suggest otherwise would be moronic. You can argue the societal points all you want, but biology will win.




    You are demeaning women with this statement. You are also insulting me because I don't agree with you and I am certainly not a moron.

    A lot of women who have had a much huge impact on this world never had a child.

    You need to open up your mind and let a little reality seep in.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    That is basically what the quote in the OP said. Saying that it is not our place to work, and the only real way we can make a difference is to be in the kitchen barefoot raising babies. It is the same old tired sexist sentiment that has been around for years.
    That wasn't my takeaway from the quote at all. There's a good deal of self-added subtext in what you took away from that. Being a mother and homemaker in no way means you're chained to the kitchen, barefoot raising babies.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Commencement speeches revolve around the current milieu. Right now we have gone through social changes that have brought us to a place where increasingly motherhood is taking a backseat to the other aspects of life.
    and on the other hand, the global population is approaching a point where it will have to be addressed. i can think of worse ways to address it than people deciding to have fewer children so that they can have some time to develop their careers. spreading that cultural trait to the third world would be a very good thing, IMO.

    i suppose if it's a priority to have one parent at home be it father or mother, we might consider paying our workers a bit more so that they can actually do that. after 30 years of wage stagnation, it's pretty difficult for one worker to support a family.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Not at all - as I said previously, being great at raising a family is indeed the one thing with the greatest impact on society, without a doubt - the only thing he missed out on was imploring the male students to also devote themselves to being great husbands and fathers. He isn't saying that any other pursuit isn't worthy or irrelevant, just not as important to society and to mankind.

    It's a perfectly legitimate view to have irrespective of your attempts to make it seem perverted.
    He did.

    I challenged the men by telling them that, to solve the problems of our society, we donít need more millionaire entrepreneur men. We need more men acting as fierce defenders of their wives and providers for their children.
    I suppose you can nit pick and complain wives don't need husbands to defend them, etc. but I think most of the outrage in this thread is over something the man clearly didn't intend to suggest.

    Personally, I think he can fantastic advice.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    and on the other hand, the global population is approaching a point where it will have to be addressed. i can think of worse ways to address it than people deciding to have fewer children so that they can have some time to develop their careers. spreading that cultural trait to the third world would be a very good thing, IMO.

    i suppose if it's a priority to have one parent at home be it father or mother, we might consider paying our workers a bit more so that they can actually do that. after 30 years of wage stagnation, it's pretty difficult for one worker to support a family.
    The speech said nothing about having large families or tons of babies.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That wasn't my takeaway from the quote at all. There's a good deal of self-added subtext in what you took away from that. Being a mother and homemaker in no way means you're chained to the kitchen, barefoot raising babies.
    I think you are ignoring a lot of context that doesn't paint his message in such a pretty light. Also you are ignoring the words he used, he said the world doesn't need women CEO's, can't get much more clear than that.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    That is basically what the quote in the OP said. Saying that it is not our place to work, and the only real way we can make a difference is to be in the kitchen barefoot raising babies. It is the same old tired sexist sentiment that has been around for years.







    I wasn't surprised to learn at the OP's link that the commencement speaker is a decidedly Christian motivational speaker.

    I had him pegged as a right-wing evangelical from the git-go.






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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

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    I think you are ignoring a lot of context that doesn't paint his message in such a pretty light. Also you are ignoring the words he used, he said the world doesn't need women CEO's, can't get much more clear than that.
    You're reading it through a jaundiced eye, he said that in context of what was said immediately prior.

    “I challenge you to devote yourself to your families and your children. If you choose to have a career, God’s blessings upon you,” Heck orated. “But I challenge you to recognize what the world scoffs at, that your greatest role in your life will be that of wife and mother. The greatest impact you could ever contribute to our world is a loving investment in the lives of your precious children. To solve the problems plaguing our society, we don’t need more women CEOs. We need more women as invested mothers.”

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