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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    How else can you possibly interpret the phrase "greatest impact?" The clear implication is that anything else a woman (and just a woman) can possibly do is of lesser importance. That's ten different kinds of misogynistic, and demonstrably false.
    Not at all - as I said previously, being great at raising a family is indeed the one thing with the greatest impact on society, without a doubt - the only thing he missed out on was imploring the male students to also devote themselves to being great husbands and fathers. He isn't saying that any other pursuit isn't worthy or irrelevant, just not as important to society and to mankind.

    It's a perfectly legitimate view to have irrespective of your attempts to make it seem perverted.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    The title of the thread is the title or the article linked. None of it is my words.

    The way I presented what?
    That's fine - my apologies - wouldn't be the first time the media misrepresented someone in order to make a political point.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    On that last I agree and never implied or inferred it was. I don't think that's what the OP says either.
    i guess my main problem with it is that a commencement speech isn't really the appropriate place for that kind of stuff. he promoted the idea that the best thing a woman can do to contribute to society is to be is a mom.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I don't think you're understanding his point. It's not that the woman's worth is a function of her children. It's that the childrens' worth, as future healthy functioning adults, is a result, in part, of what kind of mother they had. Mothers are highly important in the development of children.
    If the central contention is that the most important/impactful thing a woman (and only a woman) can do is to be a mother (which is exactly what it says in the OP quote), then you cannot reasonably suggest that you're not also viewing a woman's role as primarily being about producing children. By extension, you're suggesting that a woman's worth is primarily about her influence over her children.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i guess my main problem with it is that a commencement speech isn't really the appropriate place for that kind of stuff. he promoted the idea that the best thing a woman can do to contribute to society is to be is a mom.
    Commencement speeches revolve around the current milieu. Right now we have gone through social changes that have brought us to a place where increasingly motherhood is taking a backseat to the other aspects of life.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    My mom didn't have a choice, she had to work. She didn't become a CFO until a few years after I left home, but while I was still there, she was running her department (keeping a financially struggling company solvent) and helping my dad start a business. I did not suffer for it and she was a great example for me, not only of what women are capable of, but of a great work ethic. All that and she still had time for parent club, attending performances and weekend fund raisers.
    I think that's terrific - however, with what is going on with society and a lot of young people today, I don't think you could argue that's the norm rather than the exception and deserving of at least one mother-of-the-year award.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    If the central contention is that the most important/impactful thing a woman (and only a woman) can do is to be a mother (which is exactly what it says in the OP quote), then you cannot reasonably suggest that you're not also viewing a woman's role as primarily being about producing children. By extension, you're suggesting that a woman's worth is primarily about her influence over her children.
    NOT just "producing children", but raising them, nuturing them, prioritising them and teaching them the ten million little life lessons that will carry them successfully forward. That's a pretty darn worthy thing.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Not at all - as I said previously, being great at raising a family is indeed the one thing with the greatest impact on society, without a doubt - the only thing he missed out on was imploring the male students to also devote themselves to being great husbands and fathers. He isn't saying that any other pursuit isn't worthy or irrelevant, just not as important to society and to mankind.
    And as I said, if that's the most important thing, anything else is, by definition, less important (specifically with respect to women's contributions to the world). So you've essentially just re-stated exactly what I'm taking issue with. And you're correct, the speaker's failure to include the men in the audience is exactly why this whole line of thinking is problematic. As I've already pointed out, there are numerous ways for women to have enormous amounts of impact on the world - far greater impact than by raising kids - just like it's possible for men. To suggest anything else is extremely misogynistic.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It's a perfectly legitimate view to have irrespective of your attempts to make it seem perverted.
    It's not perverted. It's antiquated and misogynistic.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    NOT just "producing children", but raising them, nuturing them, prioritising them and teaching them the ten million little life lessons that will carry them successfully forward. That's a pretty darn worthy thing.
    So is brain surgery. So is running the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation (which is what Melinda does with her time). See my point?

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Here is the major problem with the melding of the feminist movement with the PC movement. You know at one time a few decades ago the script read, "women and men think alike, are the same". We taught it, we repeated it back constantly, but in the end it just didn't comport with reality. Men and women think differently and are not the same.

    Now we have thoroughly bought the "you can have it all" nonsense. That again does not comport with reality. Sure, you can have it all, but part or the whole is going to suffer from it. I know that reality sounds insulting, but that's only because you've learned to expect to be able to have it all. In reality, under the old model, men didn't "have it all" either. The qualities and dedication it takes to be a CEO preclude ceding attention to anything else in a major way.

    Cetainly there are exceptions. It falls on a bell curve like virtually every other distibution model, with exceptions on the light sides of the bell and the main body falling within the body of the bell itself.


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