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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    She was a teacher and a tutor. That kept both her and my dad pretty busy. They always made me a priority, though.

    The main point is that a penis is not a prerequisite for becoming a CEO. While I'm not entirely convinced I would encourage anyone to choose that life, I certainly wouldn't try to discourage women from going for it if that's what they want.
    On that last I agree and never implied or inferred it was. I don't think that's what the OP says either.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Un biased View Post
    In 2013 people need 2 incomes to support themselves and their children llpeople can litterally not afford to stay home all day to look after the children . The greatest impact for a women was raiseing children in the 1950's . Besides I met a few males who are practically arm candy for woman those roles are changing .
    It's do-able, but admittedly difficult. You have to set priorities with family in mind, and cut expenses where you can. I did it when my children were young, and was married to a man who only had a high school education, and worked in the HVAC industry.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

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    no life insurance policy?......thats what they are for, but im sure you know that
    Wow - that's just depressing as hell.

    He wouldn't have had to put himself through the rigors of the military life as he has done if I was gainfully employed all this time. He wouldn't have been injured and now dealing with a large plethora of health issues because we chased the idealized lifestyles of the gender minded modern couple.

    And what - some health insurance is going to compensate for the children not having a father?

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Not necessarily. You think all of the most successful people in the country had stay at home moms? I guarantee that's not at all true (I actually know for a fact that it's not). Also, why does the woman have to take on that role? Several Scandinavian nations have been utilizing paid paternity leave for some time, and they have some of the best educated and wealthiest populations in the world.
    Yes, I think the BEST people in the world come from GOOD homemakers, not somethiing either of us can "know for a fact". You can give examples, but they can easily be knocked down. Same with me. But what is not subjective is the role of the mother in a child's life. With rare exception mothers are the central important figure for a child, yes, more important than fathers. It's great to have both, but when it comes down to it, there's a reason mothers generally get custody.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    ...and you're still thinking of a woman as primarily an extension of her children. That's a very backwards and illogical attitude to have.
    Nonsense, you have that reversed. The egg does not precede the chicken in this context.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    The main point is that a penis is not a prerequisite for becoming a CEO. While I'm not entirely convinced I would encourage anyone to choose that life, I certainly wouldn't try to discourage women from going for it if that's what they want.
    The only thing I would say to both sexes is that if you are going to be a CEO you should not also decide to be a parent. I don't know about other people, but I just think such a decision means more towards the child if it's a woman than if it is a man.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yes, I think the BEST people in the world come from GOOD homemakers, not somethiing either of us can "know for a fact". You can give examples, but they can easily be knocked down.
    Not really. You said this:

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You don't have the pediatric surgeons, the teachers and the Sheryl Sandbergs of the world without first some women taking on that job as mother.
    If I point to examples of pediatric surgeons, teachers and Sheryl Sandberg analogues who did not have stay at home moms, your assertion is blown out of the water. And guess what? There are plenty such people. I know some of them. QED.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Same with me. But what is not subjective is the role of the mother in a child's life. With rare exception mothers are the central important figure for a child, yes, more important than fathers. It's great to have both, but when it comnes down to it, there's a reason mothers generally get custody.
    There are several reasons why the mother generally gets custody, and some of them stem from precedent that pre-dates modern feminism and gender roles. Again: being a parent is important, but the notion that it's the most important/impactful thing a woman can do is quite simply false. The Sheryl Sandbergs of the world are pretty convincing proof of that obvious fact.


    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nonsense, you have that reversed. The egg does not precede the chicken in this context.
    Fair enough. I'll rephrase: You're still thinking of a woman's worth as being primarily a function of her children. That's a very backwards and illogical attitude to have.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Indeed, but one or the other, or both, suffers on occasion. Was she a CEO? On the phone and in meetings almost 24/7?
    My mom didn't have a choice, she had to work. She didn't become a CFO until a few years after I left home, but while I was still there, she was running her department (keeping a financially struggling company solvent) and helping my dad start a business. I did not suffer for it and she was a great example for me, not only of what women are capable of, but of a great work ethic. All that and she still had time for parent club, attending performances and weekend fund raisers.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Fair enough. I'll rephrase: You're still thinking of a woman's worth as being primarily a function of her children. That's a very backwards and illogical attitude to have.
    I don't think you're understanding his point. It's not that the woman's worth is a function of her children. It's that the childrens' worth, as future healthy functioning adults, is a result, in part, of what kind of mother they had. Mothers are highly important in the development of children.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Sheryl Sandberg

    Her father is an ophthalmologist, and her mother has a PhD and worked as a French teacher before concentrating on raising her children.[

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    My mom didn't have a choice, she had to work. She didn't become a CFO until a few years after I left home, but while I was still there, she was running her department (keeping a financially struggling company solvent) and helping my dad start a business. I did not suffer for it and she was a great example for me, not only of what women are capable of, but of a great work ethic. All that and she still had time for parent club, attending performances and weekend fund raisers.
    And of the two (the job and you), YOU were obviously the priority.

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