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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Thank you. The bold is the acknowledgement I was looking for.


    You're right, he did make a call to value marriage and family rather than materialism. You are, however, ignoring the significance of how he chose to do that. He chose to do that - not by encouraging the students to value family in a variety ways - but instead by encouraging them to occupy traditional gender roles. Ultimately, you are focusing on his overall message while downplaying the way he chose to express it.

    Oh and I agree that the overall message of valuing family and not just material gain is a positive one. That's not the issue. The issue, again, is how he went about promoting that message - by only speaking of valuing family in terms of stereotypical gender roles that limit both men and women.
    I don't think he did that, but certainly the author quoted in the OP took it that way and focused the piece only on the advice given the young women, but that's why it's an opinion piece and not reporting. And I appreciate your point of view - I just don't see it as "an issue" so much as the way each person may view the words from their own perspective.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Hilarious how you criticized me for how I spoke to you, but you speak this way to Smoke. Really nasty stuff, here, CJ.
    It's not nasty, it's exactly how she speaks to those who oppose her views on any abortion related issue. On abortion, no one who doesn't have a vagina is allowed to have an opinion.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I would say that makes me imminently qualified. You don't go along life as a childfree woman without having everyone and their mother try to talk you down from it.

    Being the introspective type, I have frequently given each of those arguments a lot of thought. My total lack of desire to take up the cause of parenthood gives me a lot of mental freedom to observe what people who parent when they didn't really want to are actually like.

    Not only do they ruin their own lives, but they usually ruin the lives of their children as well.

    I'm not lecturing anyone about the value of anything. I'm rejecting the notion that other people get to tell you what your source of value is.
    Seems to me you just pretty much dissed every woman who chooses to be a stay at home mom because they "not only ruined their own lives, they usually ruin the lives of their children as well". That's a pretty sad view of life and love and family.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Seems to me you just pretty much dissed every woman who chooses to be a stay at home mom because they "not only ruined their own lives, they usually ruin the lives of their children as well". That's a pretty sad view of life and love and family.
    Reading comprehension. You should try it. That's not what she said.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Oh and I agree that the overall message of valuing family and not just material gain is a positive one. That's not the issue. The issue, again, is how he went about promoting that message - by only speaking of valuing family in terms of stereotypical gender roles that limit both men and women.
    For some of us, that set of roles IS the way we see family and traditional lifestyles being valued, TPD.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Seems this dude intentionally left out the part where men need to step up and be real men in this world

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by 66gardeners View Post
    Seems this dude intentionally left out the part where men need to step up and be real men in this world
    Members of BOTH genders need to step up and take responsibility for their appropriate and proper roles in life.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    What was factually wrong with the statement? He was espousing an ideology. Ideology =/ fact.

    You also misuse the term misogynistic which by definition alludes to the hate or dislike of women. Just because a person opines that one should fulfill a traditional role does not equal hate or dislike. Your extremism in your terminology is indicative of more hatred and dislike than the graduation speaker ever showed.

    No one has misunderstood your point. You disagree with his ideology and are willing to engage in distortion of words and statements to condemn it which is indicative of the culture of political correctness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    At some point it'd be really nice if conservatives figured out that they're the only people bringing up political correctness as if it matters. My concerns have nothing to do with political correctness, so to the extent that you're commenting on it, you're not understanding what I'm saying. My concerns have to do with 1) the factual inaccuracy of the statement, and 2) the underlying misogyny which is, in fact, archaic. There's nothing wrong with being old fashioned in theory. There are plenty of things wrong with quite a lot of old fashioned thinking to the extent that it's bigoted, misogynistic, etc.

    So no, I really didn't prove his point, you've misunderstood mine.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I'm gonna guess a few people here at DP think this train of thought hits a big nail squarely on the head.
    What? That the future of a society rests on how well we nurture our children? That a mother's greatest role is the one she plays in raising her kids? That anyone would be offended or shocked about this says a lot about why our society's social fabric is falling apart, although I think the teacher is a little misguided as to where the problem really lies. If a woman is a CEO, she probably didn't have kids. OR she delayed having them until her career was well established, then she dropped out of the workforce in order to devote more time to them for some period of time. She's probably married, and will likely stay married. She graduated from college but didn't marry until AFTER she graduated. No, I'm not worried about the kids of the CEO. I'm worried about everyone else, like the 48% of first-born kids born out of wedlock.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Women are welcome to achieve success, but if they (and the fathers) would commit to raising their children properly, we wouldn't have half the issues with people we have today.

    Parenting is something only about 50 percent of kids actually get.

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