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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    But again, for the last time, what the speaker was trying to do, in my view, was convince both young women and men to consider marriage and family to be worthy goals in life, even if society today doesn't value those roles as much as they once did or as much as they should. How this will work itself out in today's society will be tricky for many and may take many forms, such as stay at home dad's who work out of home while mom goes to the office or vice-versa. In some cases, it may take on the form of extended family, like grandparents, giving children care in the home while parents work.
    See, I thought your first post was more on the ball. The problem, as you yourself had stated, was he didn't frame it evenly, even when he tried to reassure critics of his intentions. Normally when you (not you, ​CJ, the speaker in question) clarify your point that your critics have it wrong, you're more or less supposed to give a better follow-through.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    See, I thought your first post was more on the ball. The problem, as you yourself had stated, was he didn't frame it evenly, even when he tried to reassure critics of his intentions. Normally when you (not you, ​CJ, the speaker in question) clarify your point that your critics have it wrong, you're more or less supposed to give a better follow-through.
    And no one wants to tell me why it needs to be entirely equal. Everyone has all but avoided that question even if I have asked it many times now.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    As per the definition of stereotypical, which is generally understood to mean a given perception that is not always or even predominantly true, yes, I'll grant you that's the stereotypical view of the nuclear family - many of those stereotypes from the mid-50s on being fed by sitcom television all the way from Leave it to Beaver to more recent times - often, as a result of the feminest movement you had single mother families and working moms on television, and with Bill Cosby, you had an attempt at fighting the stereotype of the absent black father.
    Thank you. The bold is the acknowledgement I was looking for.

    But again, for the last time, what the speaker was trying to do, in my view, was convince both young women and men to consider marriage and family to be worthy goals in life, even if society today doesn't value those roles as much as they once did or as much as they should. How this will work itself out in today's society will be tricky for many and may take many forms, such as stay at home dad's who work out of home while mom goes to the office or vice-versa. In some cases, it may take on the form of extended family, like grandparents, giving children care in the home while parents work.

    To me he was making a call to young people to value marriage and family and not just sell their souls to the almighty dollar and material gain. It's a good message, in my view - others can differ - it's what makes life great.
    You're right, he did make a call to value marriage and family rather than materialism. You are, however, ignoring the significance of how he chose to do that. He chose to do that - not by encouraging the students to value family in a variety ways - but instead by encouraging them to occupy traditional gender roles. Ultimately, you are focusing on his overall message while downplaying the way he chose to express it.

    Oh and I agree that the overall message of valuing family and not just material gain is a positive one. That's not the issue. The issue, again, is how he went about promoting that message - by only speaking of valuing family in terms of stereotypical gender roles that limit both men and women.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

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    And no one wants to tell me why it needs to be entirely equal. Everyone has all but avoided that question even if I have asked it many times now.
    We're missing out on some great minds and great leaders if we relegate them to the private sphere. How much more utilitarian can you get than that, Henrin?
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Really, you're out of your depth here since this is about women having children and we all know your slant on that subject.

    Since you like to lecture men about not knowing what being pregnant is like and you're an expert on ridding your body of those parasite fetuses, maybe you don't have the knowledge to lecture us about knowing the value of being a stay at home mom, or even what being a mom would be like.
    Hilarious how you criticized me for how I spoke to you, but you speak this way to Smoke. Really nasty stuff, here, CJ.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    We're missing out on some great minds and great leaders if we relegate them to the private sphere. How much more utilitarian can you get than that, Henrin?
    Is that maximizing your potential for society, or simply allowing one to slack to get more out of the other?

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
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    I'm gonna guess a few people here at DP think this train of thought hits a big nail squarely on the head.
    Well Mr. Heck(ler) you just created a national uproar and probably convinced more women to become CEO's just to spite you. What do you have to say for yourself?

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    RE: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    So, it was politically incorrect...

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Thank you. The bold is the acknowledgement I was looking for.


    You're right, he did make a call to value marriage and family rather than materialism. You are, however, ignoring the significance of how he chose to do that. He chose to do that - not by encouraging the students to value family in a variety ways - but instead by encouraging them to occupy traditional gender roles. Ultimately, you are focusing on his overall message while downplaying the way he chose to express it.

    Oh and I agree that the overall message of valuing family and not just material gain is a positive one. That's not the issue. The issue, again, is how he went about promoting that message - by only speaking of valuing family in terms of stereotypical gender roles that limit both men and women.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Really, you're out of your depth here since this is about women having children and we all know your slant on that subject.

    Since you like to lecture men about not knowing what being pregnant is like and you're an expert on ridding your body of those parasite fetuses, maybe you don't have the knowledge to lecture us about knowing the value of being a stay at home mom, or even what being a mom would be like.
    I would say that makes me imminently qualified. You don't go along life as a childfree woman without having everyone and their mother try to talk you down from it.

    Being the introspective type, I have frequently given each of those arguments a lot of thought. My total lack of desire to take up the cause of parenthood gives me a lot of mental freedom to observe what people who parent when they didn't really want to are actually like.

    Not only do they ruin their own lives, but they usually ruin the lives of their children as well.

    I'm not lecturing anyone about the value of anything. I'm rejecting the notion that other people get to tell you what your source of value is.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    See, I thought your first post was more on the ball. The problem, as you yourself had stated, was he didn't frame it evenly, even when he tried to reassure critics of his intentions. Normally when you (not you, ​CJ, the speaker in question) clarify your point that your critics have it wrong, you're more or less supposed to give a better follow-through.
    My first post was directed more at the OP content which only had the references to young women and didn't have the full content of the commencement speech which another poster informed me addressed the need of young men to also forget about chasing the big job and wealth and be dedicated to your wife and children. That's why I expanded on it - but that may be a fault of the author of the article posted more so than the commencement speaker.
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