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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    And once again we are back around to "what is wrong with suggesting women be stay at home moms?"

    After all, our society is so, so much better during the era of women putting careers ahead of family than we were when women raised their children first and worked after. NOT.

    Why not encourage ALL kids to be the best they can be?

    If they want to be a parent, then be the best parent.
    If they want to be a doctor, then be the best doctor.
    If they want to be an astronaut, then be the best astronaut.
    If you want to be a mother, be the best mother you can be.
    If you want to cure cancer, .....


    But why single out females?
    Unless you're an ignorant sexist jerk, why not encourage everybody, who's just getting out of high school, to strive to be the best at whatever choice they make?

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    You're not addressing my actual point so I'll see if you can answer it honestly in question form.

    Are the mother as caretaker and father as provider/protector stereotypical gender roles for women and men, respectively?


    Don't put words in my mouth.
    As per the definition of stereotypical, which is generally understood to mean a given perception that is not always or even predominantly true, yes, I'll grant you that's the stereotypical view of the nuclear family - many of those stereotypes from the mid-50s on being fed by sitcom television all the way from Leave it to Beaver to more recent times - often, as a result of the feminest movement you had single mother families and working moms on television, and with Bill Cosby, you had an attempt at fighting the stereotype of the absent black father.

    But again, for the last time, what the speaker was trying to do, in my view, was convince both young women and men to consider marriage and family to be worthy goals in life, even if society today doesn't value those roles as much as they once did or as much as they should. How this will work itself out in today's society will be tricky for many and may take many forms, such as stay at home dad's who work out of home while mom goes to the office or vice-versa. In some cases, it may take on the form of extended family, like grandparents, giving children care in the home while parents work.


    To me he was making a call to young people to value marriage and family and not just sell their souls to the almighty dollar and material gain. It's a good message, in my view - others can differ - it's what makes life great.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    yes and you have yours...
    I have seen many very determined stay at home mothers in many areas of their lives and I'm not going to humor the idea they just did nothing but sit on their asses and take care of kids when many of them did not.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    The way guys like this fight against women working competitively, that's what they promote. Unfit and unmotivated people taking up a cause that isn't theirs.

    But besides that, I said source of worth, not method of execution. Where do babies come from again?
    Really, you're out of your depth here since this is about women having children and we all know your slant on that subject.

    Since you like to lecture men about not knowing what being pregnant is like and you're an expert on ridding your body of those parasite fetuses, maybe you don't have the knowledge to lecture us about knowing the value of being a stay at home mom, or even what being a mom would be like.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Yeah, my problem is that he didn't tell both the boys and girls in the audience that they could BOTH consider being stay at home parents or being the provider and protector. Had he done that, I wouldn't have a problem because I get the argument that family is important. But when you start encouraging young people to occupy stereotypical gender roles, you become a problem.
    You keep having a problem with something that isn't even a problem and had nothing to do with his point.

    Anyway, mothers have traditionally stayed at home, but if we go even further back than that you would see that they were part providers and caretakers and spent a great deal of time more with their families than their male counterparts. His message was at best closer related to that role which came a great deal before this stay at home only role ever came to pass. Though he didn't say that either, now did he? Nope.

    Really, I can't see how people can't understand what he said. It seem fairly obvious to me he just wanted people to put family first.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Really, you're out of your depth here since this is about women having children and we all know your slant on that subject.

    Since you like to lecture men about not knowing what being pregnant is like and you're an expert on ridding your body of those parasite fetuses, maybe you don't have the knowledge to lecture us about knowing the value of being a stay at home mom, or even what being a mom would be like.
    I personally love when people only abort their children and then turn around and tell me all about what raising a child is like and exactly what is best for that child. Nothing is really as humorous as that.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You keep having a problem with something that isn't even a problem and had nothing to do with his point.

    Anyway, mothers have traditionally stayed at home, but if we go even further back than that you would see that they were part providers and caretakers and spent a great deal of time more with their families than their male counterparts. His message was at best closer related to that role which came a great deal before this stay at home only role ever came to pass. Though he didn't say that either, now did he? Nope.

    Really, I can't see how people can't understand what he said. It seem fairly obvious to me he just wanted people to put family first.
    I laughed when I read the article on line concerning this thread. The idea that any of the females from this dump in Indiana are going to ever leave the aforementioned dump are zero and none, so why the speech ?......................

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    I laughed when I read the article on line concerning this thread. The idea that any of the females from this dump in Indiana are going to ever leave the aforementioned dump are zero and none, so why the speech ?......................
    Good evening Bonz - gotta throw a flag on that one - not everyone can live in La La Land far away from reality.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good evening Bonz - gotta throw a flad on that one - not everyone can live in La La Land far away from reality.
    This was a speech given by an ideologue to stroke their own ideological proclivities. Having grown up in a similar dump in New England, I think it would have been more appropriate to give a speech regarding the fact that spraying a shaken, warm soda up one's genital tract postcoitus is not an effective means of birth control, though it may be marginally effective against STDs..................

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Why not encourage ALL kids to be the best they can be?

    If they want to be a parent, then be the best parent.
    If they want to be a doctor, then be the best doctor.
    If they want to be an astronaut, then be the best astronaut.
    If you want to be a mother, be the best mother you can be.
    If you want to cure cancer, .....


    But why single out females?
    Unless you're an ignorant sexist jerk, why not encourage everybody, who's just getting out of high school, to strive to be the best at whatever choice they make?
    Please google your local area for reading and comprehension classes. After completing them, return here, read the article and the thread, if you find something that has not already been addressed numerous times, then feel free to ask. Otherwise, "piss off" or no response at all will be the correct and most likely response for those, like you, who seem to be suffering from "did not ****ing read" syndrome.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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