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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Men can't be mommies.
    That's right apdst, men become daddies. Very good.

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Feel free to explain a world where woman don't have children. How long does that world have humans? 70 years?
    He said *raising* children - referring to the concept of being the stay at home parent. . . .which is a true point.

    But to your thought: A lot of successful businessmen don't have children in general - no one cries foul. No one accuses them of possibly annihilating the species. Trust me, people will always have sex and quite a large number will always have children - more than one, in fact. No matter what happens, a lot of women will still be stay at home mothers, even to the detriment of their own livelihoods and the reliance of them on the government and abusive spouses for continued support.

    The most rigorous women will successfully do it all - only, she'll be hated for it while successful men who work full time while raising kids without a partner will be laude with praise for being a good father figure for their children. 'it was hard - but he made it work' . . . yeah.

    And God bless the stay at home father's - which are spited for their choice as well and considered lesser men for it (by other men)

    All in all: men need to lighten up.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    That's right apdst, men become daddies. Very good.
    LOL, I am dying laughing at this exchange.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Good, Lord, this was a social studies teacher in a town that has a whopping population of around 2,500 people in Indiana. I don't even remember my school graduation speakers' messages, and I didn't the day after it was over either. People need to have a little perspective and stop being so freaking thin-skinned. Every day somebody somewhere is saying something you don't like. BFD. It isn't like this guy was someone who actually has a say in how affairs of state are run or has their own TV show or something.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    LOL, I am dying laughing at this exchange.
    I thought it was funny, too.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    That's right apdst, men become daddies. Very good.



    He said *raising* children - referring to the concept of being the stay at home parent. . . .which is a true point.

    But to your thought: A lot of successful businessmen don't have children in general - no one cries foul. No one accuses them of possibly annihilating the species. Trust me, people will always have sex and quite a large number will always have children - more than one, in fact. No matter what happens, a lot of women will still be stay at home mothers, even to the detriment of their own livelihoods and the reliance of them on the government and abusive spouses for continued support.

    The most rigorous women will successfully do it all - only, she'll be hated for it while successful men who work full time while kids without a partner will be laude with praise for being a good father figure for their children. 'it was hard - but he made it work' . . . yeah.

    And God bless the stay at home father's - which are spited for their choice as well and considered lesser men for it.
    That might be what he said, but its not what I said. Only a woman can affect the world by having children. Nobody stated that woman *must* have children, and nobody stated that the only way a woman can be successful is to have children either.

    I worked full time raising my three children until I met my wife, and now she would prefer to not work and stay home with the kids. I think its admirable and something that should be applauded, not derided as a job of wiping asses and runny noses, as you put it.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    That might be what he said, but its now what I said. Nobody stated that woman *must* have children, and nobody stated that the only way a woman can be successful is to have children either.

    I worked full time raising my three children until I met my wife, and now she would prefer to not work and stay home with the kids. I think its admirable and something that should be applauded, not derided as a job of wiping asses and runny noses, as you put it.
    I can only hope that the kids will be better off for my decisions - and maybe they'll come to understand that all the ailments their father suffers from was to put food on the table. I see his suffering as needless - and a result of my selfish laziness. . .and selfish laziness is not something to revere.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I can only hope that the kids will be better off for my decisions - and maybe they'll come to understand that all the ailments their father suffers from was to put food on the table. I see his suffering as needless - and a result of my selfish laziness. . .and selfish laziness is not something to revere.
    While I can't tell you that your opinion is wrong, I can disagree with it, and I do.

    My father worked two jobs while my mother stayed home, we were dressed from Goodwill, and were barely considered middle class. I appreciate the jobs both my parents had, and I adore both of them for how they raised me.

    I would hope that your children would see the same.

    Edit: And more to the point, my children's mother decided that her career was more important than her children and moved 500 miles away in pursuit of that career. If you want to talk about selfish, that is an actual example of selfishness, not you. And of course, now that the wiping of asses and cleaning of running noses is over(youngest is 6), she wants to be more involved.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    While I can't tell you that your opinion is wrong, I can disagree with it, and I do.

    My father worked two jobs while my mother stayed home, we were dressed from Goodwill, and were barely considered middle class. I appreciate the jobs both my parents had, and I adore both of them for how they raised me.

    I would hope that your children would see the same.
    Ok - snide quips and silly jokes aside ... all due honesty. I look back at my choices and see everything I did wrong which ultimately lead to the situation we're in. He joined the military long before we married - but when his opportunity came to slide out like he intended on, I ended up being a stay at home mother because I was too sick while pregnant to work. He had to re-up . . . and while I suffered from countless ailments and physical setbacks during pregnancy #3 and #4 - he felt he had no choice but to put in for promotion. He took a dicey position because it paid more, then busted his ass pulling overnight duty, oversea missions, drug raids, etc etc . . . all so I could fall apart, physically - and not work.

    Stress and physical injury led to his heart, neurological, breathing and circulatory problems . . . we were supposed to have a long and happy life together and he has - what - ten years?

    I'd give anything to give him his life back. . . I'd go back in time if I could and work, take care of the kids, and trump my way through my health issues at the same time if it would take any of it away. Then he won't have a spinal injury, cyclothymia and an executive disorder related to brain scarring from his tbi, panic attacks and night terrors. . .none of that existed before and would not have if he didn't re-up.

    He was sucked into the pro-war sentiment. He was 'doing his part' for the family. The country 'needed him.' So on - so forth. We discussed it countless times, he was disillusioned with the idea that he would be seen as less of a man if he didn't stay in and huff it. Less of a man, imperfect, weak, inferior - all these things drove him to his decision. He was sucked into the testosterone machine like too many men are.

    Sorry - but the hammed up, drum beating pro-war masculine side is a foul string of bull**** that only destroys what it claims to need and revere leaving a string of fatherless children and heartbroken families behind and nothing more.

    These issue aren't just sexist and demeaning toward women - they're sexist and demeaning toward men . . . how can someone be a good parent if they're never home? But that's exactly what millions of military men are - gone . . . and many won't come back the same. My husband went from being able to play with the kids - to getting migraines when they play too loud. His interaction with them is null even when he is *home*

    My worst fear: though he has all these issues I still hope he'll pull through - he's 45 . . . another 20 years would be above and beyond the Dr's opinions. I have hopes. . . but what will happen when he medically retires (finally) - that's what he's gone for right now, to ease out of hte military due to his health issues . . . what happens then?

    The broken man who's only trudged through this **** life with his health issues - won't have a reason to trudge through anymore.

    Post early retirement - my worst fear is he'll go to sleep and have no reason to wake up. Simply being a father isn't enough.

    So: my husband's death VS me working a crappy job at Dollar General . . . I think the Dollar General **** job sounds like heaven, too bad employers don't see it the same way. Now that I've been a sahm for 10 years - things have shifted in the job market and I'll be damned if I can't even get a single job interview . . .the kids are all in school - and what am I doing?

    Writing books about sex online and hacking away at college and a business plan - whoopie.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    If it was merely an example of someone advising people to forego materialism and value the importance of family, then he would have told the young men in the audience that they ought to value being stay at home dads and he would have told young women that they ought to consider being the provider and protector of the family. He did not do that. He encouraged both men and women in the audience to occupy their traditional gender roles: woman as caretaker and man as protector/provider. Those are stereotypical gender roles. They are rooted in traditional ideas of what male and female roles are and they completely ignore the reality that men can be caretakers while women can be protectors and providers.

    If someone wants to argue that motherhood and fatherhood are more important than work and business, then that's fine. In that case, tell women and men that they have the choice between staying at home with their children or being the providers and protectors of their children. Once you limit men to the role of provider/protector and women to the role of stay at home mom, you're doing more than encouraging people to value their roles as parents, you're perpetuating gender stereotypes. That isn't something I just see because "I come from a certain perspective." That's what is happening.
    The fact that you continue to perpetuate a misrepresentation of his comments suggests that you do indeed see this from a certain perspective. That's fine. Perhaps you see what you call stereotypical roles as evil or wrong - that's exactly what the speaker is trying to tell these young people to reject - to encourage them, to dare them to embrace what you reject because they are roles that are important, perhaps most important, for the survival of society.

    You see something sinister and evil - I see it differently.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Never read so many pages of absolute tripe before. To some of the male posters on this thread, my wife is smarter than most of you on here, she has a more important job than most of you on here and she is still a great mother so get over yourselves. To some of the female posters on here, there is nothing wrong with being a stay at home mum but don't throw other women under the bus just because they have more ambition than you and don't feel the need to be supported by their male counterpart. The whole notion of a mother staying at home was great back in the day but we live in a world with high inflation and low wages and of course the whole women are equal thing happened, as much as some of you on here would love to come home and have your wife greet you with a cigar and a martini those days are over.
    Talk about tripe - that misses the point of the speaker's comments entirely.
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