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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

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    I think you are ignoring a lot of context that doesn't paint his message in such a pretty light. Also you are ignoring the words he used, he said the world doesn't need women CEO's, can't get much more clear than that.
    Again, wrong - he didn't say the world doesn't need women CEO's, he said the world doesn't need MORE women CEO's - maybe if you knocked that chip off your shoulder you'd be able to have a rational discussion of the subject. The commencement speaker actually did a great job of addressing a topic that should engender passionate debate, but rational debate too.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

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    What a gross misrepresentation of the words quoted in the OP - and you claim I got it wrong??
    Well - I would be fine with his sentiment if it wasn't aimed at just mothers - but parents in general. Parents should play a more decisive, active role in upbringing their children.

    But, no, that was not his focus - thus, it's sexist tripe. . . the same as always:
    “I challenge you to devote yourself to your families and your children. If you choose to have a career, God’s blessings upon you,” Heck orated. “But I challenge you to recognize what the world scoffs at, that your greatest role in your life will be that of wife and mother. The greatest impact you could ever contribute to our world is a loving investment in the lives of your precious children. To solve the problems plaguing our society, we don’t need more women CEOs. We need more women as invested mothers.”
    And in reality - what he DOES say - is much more offensive than people realize:
    To solve the problems plaguing our society, we don’t need more women CEOs.
    He's basically blaming every issue he sees in society on working mothers. (nevermind that he overexaggerates on his way to trying to make a point)


    Marina, sadly, doesn't get what he said (never mind the fathers, according to him - it's all on the mothers - not the parents)
    “It was good that he said that,” junior Marina Swaggerty told WRTV. “Parents need to be there for their kids. Lately people are getting too into their jobs and not caring enough about their kids, and they are failing through high school.”
    If he was talking about parents - it would have been a solid and noble statement to make - and very true. He wasn't, though. No, to people like him the world is falling apart because I worked for 5 years as a parent.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well - I would be fine with his sentiment if it wasn't aimed at just mothers - but parents in general. Parents should play a more decisive, active role in upbringing their children.

    But, no, that was not his focus - thus, it's sexist tripe. . . the same as always:


    And in reality - what he DOES say - is much more offensive than people realize:

    He's basically blaming every issue he sees in society on working mothers. (nevermind that he overexaggerates on his way to trying to make a point)


    Marina, sadly, doesn't get what he said (never mind the fathers, according to him - it's all on the mothers - not the parents)


    If he was talking about parents - it would have been a solid and noble statement to make - and very true. He wasn't, though. No, to people like him the world is falling apart because I worked for 5 years as a parent.
    As a poster noted previously, in the entire commencement speech, he does also get into the important role of men as fathers and husbands - the single paragraph quoted in the OP doesn't get into that so it appears it's entirely one-sided.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    The men in the United States who would, who do, demand their women stay home are cut from the same bolt of cloth as Peter Heck and the people who support him. Muslim extremists get away with it because the societies in the countries in which they live tolerate/support their extremism. If it were tolerated/supported by the American society at large, US religious extremists would no doubt tell their women the same thing Muslim men tell their women.
    I don't deny that comparisons can be made between non-Muslim sexism/misogyny and Muslim sexism/misogyny. I'm also sure that there are non-Muslim men in this country who, if permitted by US law, would treat women as poorly as many Muslim extremists do. Even so, there are degrees of sexism and misogyny. Telling women to stay at home is a much lesser degree than stoning women who don't do what you want them to. The two, contrary to your implication, are different.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    As a poster noted previously, in the entire commencement speech, he does also get into the important role of men as fathers and husbands - the single paragraph quoted in the OP doesn't get into that so it appears it's entirely one-sided.
    I don't even understand what was that wrong with what he said, really. The most important job of any parent is the job of raising our children. Of course, being a wife or a husband is far more important than your everyday job you could be doing. Yes, he hinted at traditional roles, but he did so for both men and women. People just need to chill. He didn't say women should not work, ok? Geez...

    Anyway, why is everything that is traditional considered sexist? WTF is that about?

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I don't even understand what was that wrong with what he said, really. The most important job of any parent is the job of raising our children. Of course, being a wife or a husband is far more important than your everyday job you could be doing. Yes, he hinted at traditional roles, but he did so for both men and women. People just need to chill. He didn't say women should not work, ok? Geez...

    Anyway, why is everything that is traditional considered sexist? WTF is that about?
    In fact, he said God bless women who choose to work.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    In fact, he said God bless women who choose to work.
    Exactly. The only reason he said the CEO comment is to use it as an example of picking work over family in which that jobs calls for if you have children.

    Anyone that says you can be a successful CEO and still put family first has no idea what they are talking about.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, don




    I'm gonna guess a few people here at DP think this train of thought hits a big nail squarely on the head.


    He did NOT say "stay home barefoot, pregnant, ignorant and submissive".



    He said "IF you choose a career, bless you", followed by "BUT I challenge you to recognize the greatness of motherhood/etc".



    Slightly paraphrased but I see nothing wrong there. So what? Quite a few of the female grads will do exactly that, why denigrate them so as some wish to do?



    Who really gives a **** anyway, they're just high school grads. The standard blow-smoke-up-ass "You are the future; go out and change the world!" bull**** isn't any better.

    I'd only ever be asked to speak to a graduating class one time, because I'd tell them the truth. "None of you are going to change the world in any significant way... only one or two people in a generation do that. Instead, the world is going to change YOU, or else crush you to dust if you won't change. Oh and btw, you are NOT the future, not yet at least... you are, mostly, a bunch of idiots who don't know anything about the real world yet, like how to work a job in a way that won't make your employer want to fire you... most of you don't even know how NOT to be a dick or a bitch all the time yet... but you'll learn. The hard way."


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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Again, wrong - he didn't say the world doesn't need women CEO's, he said the world doesn't need MORE women CEO's - maybe if you knocked that chip off your shoulder you'd be able to have a rational discussion of the subject. The commencement speaker actually did a great job of addressing a topic that should engender passionate debate, but rational debate too.
    We don't need more women ceo is the same as we don't need any.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    We don't need more women ceo is the same as we don't need any.
    Only if you have an agenda and you don't understand the English language.

    If you have a million dollars and someone says you don't need any more money, is that the equivalent to saying you don't need any money?
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