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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Who said being a great wife and mother was a bad thing? Who?






    A lot of great wives and mothers?

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    No, he said:

    "The greatest impact you could ever contribute to our world is a loving investment in the lives of your precious children. To solve the problems plaguing our society, we donít need more women CEOs. We need more women as invested mothers.Ē

    So yes, he is in fact telling young woman that they should stay at home. More importantly, he's telling them that their contributions to the world are best achieved through staying at home and squeezing out babies. That is both ridiculous and positively archaic thinking.


    At the link I learned that he's a Christian motivational speaker.

    Surprise, surprise.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Yeah... no. First, the quote said that the most impact a woman can have is as a mother. That's just absurd. Unless you've raised Mark Zuckerberg, there're any number of things a woman can do with her time that will have a greater impact on the world than being a mother. Sure, being a responsible parent (of either gender) is hugely impactful to your child, but it has very little impact on my life. Certainly far less so than the business decisions of, say, Sheryl Sandberg.

    Second, there's a long list of jobs that are far more important that being a mother. Even if you just count the things that directly impact children, pediatric surgeons save the lives of thousands of children over the course of their careers, and and teachers teach hundreds of thousands of kids. Both of those jobs seriously impact the lives lots and lots of people, whereas a mother pretty much only influences her own kids.

    So no, motherhood is not the most important job ever. It's a perfectly valid life choice; and yes, children need involved parents (again: of BOTH genders) but to suggest that a woman's greatest impact comes from squirting out a baby and taking care of it is just not true.



    But it's an idea that a lot of right-wing Christians will promote.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    And how is this bull**** different from what Muslim extremists tell their women?

    Wrong is wrong is wrong is wrong. Women will continue to be the niggers of the world until they day comes that dickwitted extremists stop trying to dictate their lives. I suggest that Peter Heck and men who support him be the example they want to see. Stay the hell home and raise the children while the wife pursues a career.










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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    And how is this bull**** different from what Muslim extremists tell their women?

    Wrong is wrong is wrong is wrong. Women will continue to be the niggers of the world until they day comes that dickwitted extremists stop trying to dictate their lives. I suggest that Peter Heck and men who support him be the example they want to see. Stay the hell home and raise the children while the wife pursues a career.





    Great idea.

    What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    And how is this bull**** different from what Muslim extremists tell their women?

    Wrong is wrong is wrong is wrong. Women will continue to be the niggers of the world until they day comes that dickwitted extremists stop trying to dictate their lives. I suggest that Peter Heck and men who support him be the example they want to see. Stay the hell home and raise the children while the wife pursues a career.
    1. I agree that the guy is sexist, if not even misogynistic. However, Muslim extremists tend to go a bit farther than telling women to stay at home, LOL.

    2. Women are the "niggers of the world" is the worst. Lennon was an idiot for making that song. Not only does it inherently ignore black women (they, according to the phrase, would be the "nigger niggers of the world"), it's also an overly simplistic comparison of black and female oppression. It also evokes a sense of, "Holy ****, women are being treated like blacks. This is too far!" In sum, the sentiment behind the phrase is well-intentioned, but poorly executed.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I am not one of those people.

    I see that address as a major failure.

    Changing dirty diapers is not my idea of a great job (I've changed plenty and washed them.).

    Whoever picked that social studies teacher to give the commencement address failed.

    Who made the rule that women have to do all of the tough jobs?
    When talking about certain elements of children that would be nature. Other elements it was just a logical extension of the former.

    Btw, changing diapers is not really that hard and I think men have been sharing that responsibility even in our grandfathers time.

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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    1. I agree that the guy is sexist, if not even misogynistic. However, Muslim extremists tend to go a bit farther than telling women to stay at home, LOL.

    2. Women are the "niggers of the world" is the worst. Lennon was an idiot for making that song. Not only does it inherently ignore black women (they, according to the phrase, would be the "nigger niggers of the world"), it's also an overly simplistic comparison of black and female oppression. It also evokes a sense of, "Holy ****, women are being treated like blacks. This is too far!" In sum, the sentiment behind the phrase is well-intentioned, but poorly executed.
    The men in the United States who would, who do, demand their women stay home are cut from the same bolt of cloth as Peter Heck and the people who support him. Muslim extremists get away with it because the societies in the countries in which they live tolerate/support their extremism. If it were tolerated/supported by the American society at large, US religious extremists would no doubt tell their women the same thing Muslim men tell their women.

    We will have to agree to disagree regarding John Lennon's intent.










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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    If you think that is the reason why people are pissed off at this guy then you just don't get it.

    A woman's role is whatever she wants it to be, there is nothing wrong with equality in the work force, there is nothing wrong with women being CEO's, and there is nothing wrong with not having kids, or getting married if you don't want too.

    Women should be free to choose, and have the same opportunities as men, not be pigeonholed into a life they may not want.
    Whether you know it or not, you fell directly into the societal stereotype that this commencement speaker was talking about - he challenged them, dared them, to consider what in today's society is the unconventional - that being the woman who has a family and her role/goal in life is to raise that family. He's challenging them not to let people say to them you're not doing important work, you're not fulfilling your promise and your potential because you're not out in the workforce, you're not striving to be a CEO, you're just a wife and a mom.

    To use your words, he challenging them not to be pigeonholed into the life of the corporate/business woman just because other women think that's what makes you equal to men, as good as men.

    You can find all kinds of articles in the media and on the net from women who are stay at home moms whose friends act as if they're second class citizens, lazy, not contributing to society because all they do is stay home and look after their kids. You're exactly right - a woman's role is whatever she wants it to be and if she wants it to be a marriage and a family that she raises as a stay at home mom then she shouldn't feel she's any less a woman in today's society just because "career" women think less of her.
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    Re: High school commencement speaker tells females: stay at home, donít be CEOs

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    That is basically what the quote in the OP said. Saying that it is not our place to work, and the only real way we can make a difference is to be in the kitchen barefoot raising babies. It is the same old tired sexist sentiment that has been around for years.
    What a gross misrepresentation of the words quoted in the OP - and you claim I got it wrong??
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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