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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    The health insurance companies will be required to have the plans and costs online in October, let's discuss it then. This number is simply a very rough estimate of what a family of five might pay in 2016 if they make over $120k and do NOT have employer insurance but must or choose to buy in the exchange market. I will be in that group, though I only have a family of four, and the fact is that without Obamacare, neither my wife or I could get insurance at all, but the best quote I can get for individual family coverage is over $17000 a year for a family of four, so three years out, and one less person, that seems like the cost curve is bending in the right way. The costs are still ridiculous and will continue to be until we get a single payer plan, insurance is socialism, it is sharing the risk, and the bigger the group that shares, the lower the individual risk. Until we figure that out as a society, those of us that are not on employer plans or Medicare or Medicaid or VA, will be hammered. But hey, if you got yours, why think about fixing it for anyone else, it's not like you could EVER be in their position.

    Two thirds of those currently uninsured don't plan to buy health insurance under Obamacare.

    Your bleeding heart doesn't fix the fact that a large number of the people this program was aimed to save are not particularly good planners, and many just don't see the financial upside to buying insurance now any more than they did before. If they wait long enough they can just catch the next wave where they get "free" health care when idiotic liberals search for the next cause célèbre ... which will again be "uninsured Americans".

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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Well sue your company then... aint that the American way?

    Oh and it aint Obama's fault that the healthcare industry is jacking up prices... or do you really think that one asprin should cost 3 bucks in the hospital?
    Wait, what? Sue them? For what? Employer benefits are not mandated by law....And no, an asprin shouldn't cost $3, but I guess when you have people using medical services and just not paying for them that's what happens right? But, why should the cure to that be to make me pay for them?
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Real studies comparing hospitals in GB and Canada with US most waiting times were very compareable if you just look at the insured in US. if all citizens in US are taken into consideration the US wait times is far longer.
    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Ahh word games. And I have never waited 8 hours in Spain at any doctor. I get a time, show up and get in pretty much instantly... in fact they are quite efficient here since it is all computerized now days.

    And there are also waiting times in the US... and some places massive ones at that. I saw a statistic a few years ago that the waiting time for mamograms in New York was many months...
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Two thirds of those currently uninsured don't plan to buy health insurance under Obamacare.

    Your bleeding heart doesn't fix the fact that a large number of the people this program was aimed to save are not particularly good planners, and many just don't see the financial upside to buying insurance now any more than they did before. If they wait long enough they can just catch the next wave where they get "free" health care when idiotic liberals search for the next cause célèbre ... which will again be "uninsured Americans".
    That's true...it's very idiotic to try and change a medical care system that leaves 10's of millions uninsured yet still equals a much higher % of GDP compared to other countries with universal care. I mean...only idiotic people ask why we pay 90 bucks for prescription medicine that cost 40 in England or France.
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Real studies by hospitals in GB and Canada most waiting times were very compareable if you just look at the insured in US. if all citizens in US are taken into consideration the US wait times is far longer.
    Gee...I wonder who has the money to spend to create that illusion and the incentive to make people think that getting healthcare in Canada or France is an automatic death sentence.
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Tell a lie often enough...
    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Gee...I wonder who has the money to spend to create that illusion and the incentive to make people think that getting healthcare in Canada or France is an automatic death sentence.
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So much for bending the cost curve down eh? Wow! Why would anyone not just pay the tax? Man, what a lie we were forced into with this crap.
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    We make way too much for the hospital to charge anything off, I think that is where we really got screwed.
    True. I know many people who work cash type construction jobs or make low income who have been in for hospital stays, didn't pay their bills, and barely heard a peep from the hospital or collection agencies.

    But that type of insurance is madness. I'm pretty sure it's not legal when Obamacare kicks in.
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    1) And what would the cost have been without Obamacare?
    2) Cant bend the cost curve when you wont attack the root cause of the problem.
    3) Cant bend the cost curve when your laws and regulations (even Obamacare) is written by the freaking for profit healthcare industry.
    This one was written by the Democrats, not the healthcare industry.
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wait, what? Sue them? For what? Employer benefits are not mandated by law....And no, an asprin shouldn't cost $3, but I guess when you have people using medical services and just not paying for them that's what happens right? But, why should the cure to that be to make me pay for them?
    How the hell should I know.. it is your side .. aka the right wing .. aka the GOP that want this idiotic system in the first place and are steadfast in refusing to change it, just because the guy in the White House is a democrat.

    I understand your pain but as long as the whole medical industry is in league with the insurance industry and can charge what every they freaking want and get away with it, then you are going to have to adapt...

    Hospital Prices No Longer Secret As New Data Reveals Bewildering System, Staggering Cost Differences

    Look at the map.

    For the same medical help, one place is 7k and another is 99k... for the SAME THING!

    The problem is NOT Obamacare but the private unregulated healthcare industry that is running amok and protecting their base by getting Congress to pass things like Obamacare or whatever the GOP (very similar to Obamacare I bet) could have dreamed up.
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