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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So much for bending the cost curve down eh? Wow! Why would anyone not just pay the tax? Man, what a lie we were forced into with this crap.
    Wait, is the IRS trustworthy or not? I'm confused here.
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Yea. Well, now he can just buy insurance at the door and can't be denied so none of that will be an issue, will it?
    I'm pretty sure he'd have a hard time buying insurance while blacked out in the back of an ambulance or on an operating table.
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Uh ... there is no "National health care system" in America - that's the problem. The AHCA will hopefully help in getting us to single payer- some day.
    Yes there is. Just because you can't see it unless it's run by the government doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    I'm sure health insurance has risen since my wife and I went on medicare a few years ago but the last time I had coverage for us both, it was around $18,000 per year for a very deluxe policy. We had $500 deductible per year and everything else was paid 100%. I had a $102,000 bypass surgery and didn't pay a nickel for anything since I had already covered my deductible. Certainly it was better coverage than the Obamacare plans. I assume one could buy a non Obamacare policy and not get fined? If so, that could put a dent in Obamacare sales. By the way, I don't believe the insurance companies were involved in writing the Obamacare bill. Neither was anybody in the government.

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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    What's going to happen is that more and more people who are already at the lower end of the pay scale are never going to leave that demographic. Between employers reducing the hours of entry level employees to avoid the requirement to provide insurance and subsidies for insurance at lower income levels it's likely that we will see a whole lot of those folks who would normally be in the $45-50k income bracket back off to a lower level where more federal benefits are offered. For someone right out of school it will be a very difficult transition to economic independence.
    Spot on Luther....And I believe this is the plan...All that talk of being for the middle classes, all that bluster about lifting the boats of the little guy, well that's just great! So now, the claim that Obama will bring the prosperous down to the level of the poor was right on....
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    What's going to happen is that more and more people who are already at the lower end of the pay scale are never going to leave that demographic. Between employers reducing the hours of entry level employees to avoid the requirement to provide insurance and subsidies for insurance at lower income levels it's likely that we will see a whole lot of those folks who would normally be in the $45-50k income bracket back off to a lower level where more federal benefits are offered. For someone right out of school it will be a very difficult transition to economic independence.
    Given the current level of the fine It's probably more fiscally prudent for people earning less than $300k to just pocket the insurance premiums and and buy insurance when they need it. So yeah, this is really just a way to trash the current insurance system to clear the way for government health care.

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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So much for bending the cost curve down eh? Wow! Why would anyone not just pay the tax? Man, what a lie we were forced into with this crap.
    The health insurance companies will be required to have the plans and costs online in October, let's discuss it then. This number is simply a very rough estimate of what a family of five might pay in 2016 if they make over $120k and do NOT have employer insurance but must or choose to buy in the exchange market. I will be in that group, though I only have a family of four, and the fact is that without Obamacare, neither my wife or I could get insurance at all, but the best quote I can get for individual family coverage is over $17000 a year for a family of four, so three years out, and one less person, that seems like the cost curve is bending in the right way. The costs are still ridiculous and will continue to be until we get a single payer plan, insurance is socialism, it is sharing the risk, and the bigger the group that shares, the lower the individual risk. Until we figure that out as a society, those of us that are not on employer plans or Medicare or Medicaid or VA, will be hammered. But hey, if you got yours, why think about fixing it for anyone else, it's not like you could EVER be in their position.
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    We probably got close to 100k we have paid out of pocket, I think we were suppose to have paid 46k but if the insurance company and us refused to pay something the billing company just sold it to a collection agency. We disputed and got about half of those charges reversed, but I still think a lot of them were sold to collection agencies anyway. I can see why healthcare is a big cause of bankruptcy. If it was up to me we would have filed, but my wife was against it and I was afraid she woudl kick the bucket anytime, so I didnt. We make way too much for the hospital to charge anything off, I think that is where we really got screwed.
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    Most, at least all health care plans that I've seen (mine included) are 80/20 up to your out of pocket expenses. They do have a cutoff point, at least every plan I've ever seen does.
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It's not free. Why do people always call state health care paid through state taxes "free"? And I bet that the "education" won't work in Spain's "free" system. The only way that a "free" system works is with strictly controlled services delivery. People are far less likely to go to the doctor for a cold if the wait time is 8 hours rather than 20 minutes.
    Ahh word games. And I have never waited 8 hours in Spain at any doctor. I get a time, show up and get in pretty much instantly... in fact they are quite efficient here since it is all computerized now days.

    And there are also waiting times in the US... and some places massive ones at that. I saw a statistic a few years ago that the waiting time for mamograms in New York was many months...
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Contrary to both of your beliefs, I am well aware that the portion of premium I pay is far less than what the employer pays for the coverage. In my case, according to the breakdown supplied by my company this past January, due to the fact that the ACA will also make my health care taxable income in coming years, my employer pays about $12,000. plus my contribution of $3,600. for a total yearly expense of $15,600....So, if I assume that this "Bronze" plan is comparable, that is a 25% increase give or take, plus should my employer decide that it is a smarter business move to drop coverage, and kick us to the exchange curb, then I have to shoulder the entire burden.

    That's a far cry from all the promises of Obama saying that the average family would see savings of $2,500. per year. It was a lie.
    Well sue your company then... aint that the American way?

    Oh and it aint Obama's fault that the healthcare industry is jacking up prices... or do you really think that one asprin should cost 3 bucks in the hospital?
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