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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I understand that, but tell me, wouldn't it be a wise business move to say pay a $2000 fine, instead of a $12000 premium?
    I agree... but all it takes is some kid of an employee getting seriously ill and dying for the PR to become so massively bad for the company that the bean counters will say the 12k is a good deal.. especially if there is a threat of a lawsuit or massive fines from the feds.

    Remember the exploding gas tanks in the 1970s/80s? Where GM admitted that the bean counters had said it was cheaper to not fix the problem and just pay for the law suits?
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    As I stated I dont know the source and have not looked up their history, so I have not commented about it.

    What I did comment about was your linkage between getting a White House Press Pass and credibility. That is false...the Jeff Gannon case proves that.
    So, the source is not liberal leaning so it must be like Jeff Gannon? What ever dude....

    Err I have already commented about it quite a lot and saying it is the fault of the private sector in conjunction with their politician puppets.
    The private sector may not be perfect, but its preferable to a top down centralized system IMHO.

    It is you that has dismissed this view because it goes against you belief in the American system, but it is time you get into reality and not blame the black guy in the White House for every bad thing happening in the US and place the blame with who deserves it.
    So, since I don't believe in a centralized, quasi socialist system, and happen to think that free markets are the way to go, that makes me racist eh? Good grief, you really are a characature of liberal go to's aren't you....
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    We had great insurance prior to Obamacare, now we are switching the High or Low plans to the Bronze, Silver, and Gold with many hurdles to jump over. I wish Obama and family had to go through this crap. He is the worst ****ing leader in my lifetime.

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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I wish Obama and family had to go through this crap.
    A worthy point. If Obamacare is so awesome, why did the President and Congress write themselves out of it.

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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    A worthy point. If Obamacare is so awesome, why did the President and Congress write themselves out of it.
    Yeah while giving every large union a waiver

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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac
    So much for bending the cost curve down eh? Wow! Why would anyone not just pay the tax? Man, what a lie we were forced into with this crap.
    I'm not sure I understand the point. Maybe someone has already mentioned this, but it looks like someone has just pulled a number out of a hat because it makes demonstrating a calculation easier. Math professors do that sort of thing all the time.

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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Yeah while giving every large union a waiver
    which is also odd. Since Obamacare is so wonderful, why are all these unions seeking waivers?

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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    This has been going around for a while now. The $20k figure comes from an example the IRS uses in one of their publications. At this point I'm not even sure anybody knows what a "Bronze Level" plan will have to consist of.

    That being said, we do know what the penalties are going to be and I'll pretty much guarantee you that for someone single, in good health and with no kids it will be a whole lot cheaper to pay the fine.
    Cheaper unless they need medical attention. Then it's not. Generally it's good to be insured and generally, people will buy insurance if its affordable. AHCA it taking it in that direction. Witness the lies the OP has to say about it in order to muddy the waters.

    What's hilarious is how conservatives just don't want people to have health care insurance. It's almost a pathological fetish -- like so many conservatives have.

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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    which is also odd. Since Obamacare is so wonderful, why are all these unions seeking waivers?
    it was a scheme from the begininng

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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    which is also odd. Since Obamacare is so wonderful, why are all these unions seeking waivers?

    To avoid looking totally clueless, one should do a bit of research before posting adamant claims: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...s-crossroads-/
    . . . counting all the joint plans as union plans, only 25 percent of the waivers have gone to unions. The rest have gone to plans offered by employers, insurance companies and other non-union groups.

    To be clear, though, the waivers do not exempt these groups from the health care law. They only allow them to continue offering their current health plans with annual limits until 2014.
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