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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

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    When military members use Tricare, particularly going to an outside hospital, we get a bill too that is basically just an informational bill (covered by Tricare completely). I got one when I had an allergic reaction to shrimp and had to go to a civilian hospital in downtown Seattle. It was thousands of dollars for them to drive me to the hospital, give me a couple of shots of benadryl and epinephrine and observe me for about 2 hours then tell me I had an allergic reaction and send me home.
    There was a story a few years ago in Denmark, where it came out that the danish travel insurance giant paid for an ambulance airplane ride for a guy who had broken his leg or arm.. a ride from New York to Copenhagen and then straight to the local hospital for a treatment. Why for a simple broken bone? Because it was considerably cheaper to do it this way.
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    CNS is a news outlet that is credentialed, and represented in the WH press pool.
    No offence but so was a GOP gay male prostitute under the Bush administration.
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No offence but so was a GOP gay male prostitute under the Bush administration.
    Oh please....The objections of the source is a fallacy....

    "An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an argument made personally against an opponent instead of against their argument.[2] Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as an informal fallacy,[3][4][5] more precisely an irrelevance.[6]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

    Attacking the source is irrelevant, therefore, you should stick to the argument at hand...Can you?
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So much for bending the cost curve down eh? Wow! Why would anyone not just pay the tax? Man, what a lie we were forced into with this crap.
    And the conclusion is obvious. Eliminate your family. That's called bending the cost curve down, right there. Makes me wonder why Obama didn't just suggest that right from the start.

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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh please....The objections of the source is a fallacy....

    "An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an argument made personally against an opponent instead of against their argument.[2] Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as an informal fallacy,[3][4][5] more precisely an irrelevance.[6]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

    Attacking the source is irrelevant, therefore, you should stick to the argument at hand...Can you?
    Hey I dont know the source so I cant comment.. all I am saying that having a WH press pass is not a badge of legitimacy of any kind. Only means you have a clean record or have friends in high places that ignore your record or actively hide it for you.
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Hey I dont know the source so I cant comment.. all I am saying that having a WH press pass is not a badge of legitimacy of any kind. Only means you have a clean record or have friends in high places that ignore your record or actively hide it for you.
    Way to show that you have a problem with any source you don't approve of...Too bad for you, that you don't control the message isn't it?....Now, can you question any of the facts in the article, or are you just here to deflect, and pad the post count?
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, thanks for that, I hadn't seen anything like that yet...From what it looks like my cost would be $578 per month for less coverage than I have now, and my monthly out of pocket would rise by nearly double what I pay now. Plus the deductible is double what I have now, plus the prescription plan is vague as to what that deductible is, or what the co pay would be....Although the "Gold plan" looks closer to what I have now, I am assuming it would be even more expensive....I can't afford that.

    So, tell me, how is this bending my cost curve down? How is this going to, as Obama promised, going to "save the average family of four, $2500. per year"....?????

    That was a lie, No?
    I would honestly ask your employer why they are dropping you.
    Most employers to keep sponsoring health plans: survey | Modern Healthcare
    They may be using Obamacare as an excuse not to give you insurance. Unless they provide insurance that doesn't even meet the baselines that's offered in the exchanges there should be no change.

    They are literally deciding to pay a 2,000 dollar penalty in order to not give you insurance.

    As mentioned in the article if they drop you they will have to pay a penalty and would most likely have to offer higher gross salaries in order to compete with other companies hiring employees and providing benefits.
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I would honestly ask your employer why they are dropping you.
    Most employers to keep sponsoring health plans: survey | Modern Healthcare
    They may be using Obamacare as an excuse not to give you insurance. Unless they provide insurance that doesn't even meet the baselines that's offered in the exchanges there should be no change.

    They are literally deciding to pay a 2,000 dollar penalty in order to not give you insurance.

    As mentioned in the article if they drop you they will have to pay a penalty and would most likely have to offer higher gross salaries in order to compete with other companies hiring employees and providing benefits.
    I understand that, but tell me, wouldn't it be a wise business move to say pay a $2000 fine, instead of a $12000 premium?

    Next, will the employer be mandated by law to provide a higher salary? I'd like to see that.

    Now, you can say well they won't keep the good employees they have, but in the new landscape, who cares? With so many unemployed out there, they can run a revolving door and make more money...All this I suspect was the plan anyway.
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I understand that, but tell me, wouldn't it be a wise business move to say pay a $2000 fine, instead of a $12000 premium?

    Next, will the employer be mandated by law to provide a higher salary? I'd like to see that.

    Now, you can say well they won't keep the good employees they have, but in the new landscape, who cares? With so many unemployed out there, they can run a revolving door and make more money...All this I suspect was the plan anyway.
    A lot of companies are opting to keep their insurance plans. The survey I've provided has shown that only 6% are opting to drop their employees.

    They won't be mandated by law to provide a higher salary....but I'm not sure how they will compete asking their employees to shell out X amount of dollars to enter an exchange and expect to pay the same as another employer that is offering insurance.
    McDonald's Plays Politics, Brags About Selling Its McWorkers Appalling Health Coverage - Forbes
    The only companies that are dropping insurance because of Obamacare are companies like this.

    Otherwise they are making a choice not to cover their employees...and if it becomes to big of an issue the government could always rachet up the penalty.

    As for the comment regarding the current employment landscape, that exists anyway. Why exactly would companies offer insurance in the first place? As of now they can provide employers horrible insurance or no insurance. The fact that there's an option for individuals that do not currently get insurance is used as an excuse to drop people? So the only way our insurance system works is if 10's of millions of indivdual's are not able to get insurance? That's a pretty broken system.
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Way to show that you have a problem with any source you don't approve of...Too bad for you, that you don't control the message isn't it?
    As I stated I dont know the source and have not looked up their history, so I have not commented about it.

    What I did comment about was your linkage between getting a White House Press Pass and credibility. That is false...the Jeff Gannon case proves that.

    ....Now, can you question any of the facts in the article, or are you just here to deflect, and pad the post count?
    Err I have already commented about it quite a lot and saying it is the fault of the private sector in conjunction with their politician puppets. It is you that has dismissed this view because it goes against you belief in the American system, but it is time you get into reality and not blame the black guy in the White House for every bad thing happening in the US and place the blame with who deserves it.
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