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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Only an idiot destroys a great health care system in order to fix a $90 prescription.
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    Destroyed how...by making people buy insurance instead of being deadbeats that show up for healthcare and not pay? Where exactly is the "destroying" taking place because under Obamacare I have the same insurance, pay the same prices, and will visit the same doctors, for the same care, and the same treatment. Hyperbole much?

    By the way, that too is mostly a myth, because you can pick and choose some medications that are cheaper in other countries and claim an urgent need to take a torch to the medical system, but you ignore so may other medications that are cheaper in the US (and big evil Walmart et al are making most common drugs cheap even without insurance). But then that is the liberal way, making the exception the rule and legislating to it, plowing under everything that worked in the process.
    I believe you are the one pointing out the exception to the rule. It's only generic drugs and only one country.

    Obamacare is effectively taking a torch to your house to fix a stuck door.
    Which is the torch...

    everyone has insurance...

    They purchase them from competitive exchanges...

    there is a minimum for what an insurance policy should provide....

    what exactly is the torch here.
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Cheaper but you get nothing for your money. It's cheaper just to die too if that is all you care about.
    Right...but now that you can no longer be denied for pre-existing conditions then when something goes wrong you simply hit up the exchange, get your insurance, have your bills paid and then, once everything is back to normal, drop the insurance again.

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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I don't really understand how so many people on this forum think our healthcare is even remotely good? I can't think of a person I have ever met in real life that described our health care system as providing quality care at affordable prices? Where are you guys getting these notions that all is well??? It is absolutely baffling.
    The issues are typically government involvement in medicine and insurance. Being able to choose any physician I want based on my own judge of them, finding one that supports my medical goals or beliefs, etc., is important. Getting the absolute best care for serious conditions, rather than a government mandated physician or treatment regimen is good.

    I want freedom and highest tech care. I get both I suspect in the U.S.

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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Destroyed how...by making people buy insurance instead of being deadbeats that show up for healthcare and not pay? Where exactly is the "destroying" taking place because under Obamacare I have the same insurance, pay the same prices, and will visit the same doctors, for the same care, and the same treatment. Hyperbole much?



    I believe you are the one pointing out the exception to the rule. It's only generic drugs and only one country.


    Which is the torch...

    everyone has insurance...

    They purchase them from competitive exchanges...

    there is a minimum for what an insurance policy should provide....

    what exactly is the torch here.
    Destroyed, because they created a law that will make it impossible for anyone but the rich to afford healthcare, which will cause a collapse of the system, forcing the government to institute a single payer system. The Dems will use it as an excuse and the Reps won't have any choice.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    UHC will.
    No it won't. UHC controlls access in order to control cost.

    And the elephant in the room here is the number of people the new system would put out of work in highly skilled positions with no comparable work available. I mean, if Obamacare or UHC was able to convert the US total medical cost to that of, say, France, what they will have done in a macroeconomic sense is eliminate 6% of the US economy with nothing on tap to move the highly trained medical staff to.

    In other words, it is a huge clusterf**k even if it meets it's goals.

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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Are you kidding? We have the most expensive healthcare system in the world and lag in all major indicators. One surgery cost 4k in one hospital and 90k in the next and you want to proof? REally?
    Then the insurance companies haven't been doing their job. If the surgery can be done for 4K then they should force the 90K hospital to lower its price. That is the way it works, by the way. Now with government involvement it will probably be 90K at the place that once did it for 4K.

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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Are you kidding? We have the most expensive healthcare system in the world and lag in all major indicators. One surgery cost 4k in one hospital and 90k in the next and you want to proof? REally?
    It's free in Thailand. Wanna swap with them?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    UHC will.
    Only through rationing and denying care. Cheaper for the Government. Not cheaper for the citizen who has to suffer under such an idiotic system.

    Obamacare was sold on lies. Does that bother you?

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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Destroyed, because they created a law that will make it impossible for anyone but the rich to afford healthcare, which will cause a collapse of the system, forcing the government to institute a single payer system. The Dems will use it as an excuse and the Reps won't have any choice.
    Actually I'd argue that a collapse is what we were heading to. Most folks that were healthy were opting out of insurance because it was getting to expernsive and the only one's getting insured where those that would need it the most.

    I'm not sure how it's impossible for anyone but the rich to afford healthcare. People were paying 20,000 bucks for a family of 4 pre-Obamacare. The price of insurance has been rising for decades...
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    Re: IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Actually chemo drugs and many other drugs are very dangerous, and all drugs have side effects.
    So?


    and no, if there is no reason to belive it will help, or if it will cause more harm than good, to a patient it should not be given.

    So you now take it on yourself to make that decision for other people rather than that person and that person's physician making the decision?


    Think of it as risk vs benefit.

    I have. Your own statement would rather take that risk analysis out of my hands and hand it to government bean counters.


    I have seen chemo cause great harm and even have fatal side effects.

    You do realize that chemo treats cancer, right? And that people die from cancer? Your idiotic argument is somehow trying to pose the preposterous argument that chemo is somehow more dangerous than the cancer the person already has.


    I dont even know where you got the 2b idea or the rest of that post. Are you a doctor or did you stay at the Holiday Inn Express last night? But I gotta go home. Nice chatting with you today

    Because when the NHS makes a drug unavailable they are denying access to ALL UK CITIZENS. It says so right there in the article. It's not the NHS denying to pay for a drug for one patient. They refuse to offer the drug at all.

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