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    Marines Complain About Food

    There is a constant push-pull (hatred?) in our military, especially in the Army and Marine Corps, between the guys whipping it on outside the wire and the guys inside the wire sitting on these huge Forward Operating Bases (FOBs). It is the one thing we Marines and soldiers can agree on. We hate Fobbits. In the case of this story, you're hearing from a "Fobbit" (Urban Dictionary: fobbit) as we call them. The disparity amongst experiences by servicemembers is astounding. Probably more so in these wars than any other in US history.

    Below I will lay out the differences for you:

    Ground Pounders
    Lodging: At most a two man tent or fighting hole
    Sleeping arrangements: In a sleeping bag on dirt or rolled sleeping pad
    Food: MRE's and sometimes tray rations
    Schedule: Dependent upon the enemy. Usually a 4 hour perimeter watch, a 6-8 hour patrol, and a 4 hour assignment to Quick Reaction Force in case the patrol that is out gets into contact.
    Off time: Does not apply. Usually spent cleaning weapons/the patrol base or improving security measures around the base. Normally they will get 1 hour a week to call home on a satellite phone.

    Fobbits
    Lodging: Usually a converted 2 man packing container with A/C and heater complete with wifi and cable
    Sleeping arrangements: Mattress with sheets and a blanket. Possibly a cot.
    Food: Even with the reduction of meals, 3 meals a day in a buffet style setting. Think Golden Corral
    Schedule: Usually 8-12 hour shifts including 1 hour of physical training and 2, 1 hour meal periods.
    Off time: You name it. Internet cafe, coffee shops, game rooms, fast food, bazaar's, movie theaters, video game centers, outdoor pools, huge fitness centers (think Gold's Gym), R/C car tracks, barber shops/hair stylists, masseuses, etc, etc



    I totally understand the role that "Fobbits" play. They support guys like me that are outside the wire fighting the good fight. I'm not discounting their jobs. I'm discounting the fact that they live the way they live and then have the audacity to complain about it when something changes. This is not a generalization. Many, many times on my short stays aboard one of these massive wastes of money, I have heard the phrases such as "Aww man they're out of ice cream" "I can't believe we're having parmesan chicken again" "They're showing Avengers again?" "Internet's been down for like 4 hours!". Next time you want to thank a servicemember for his service, remember not all service is created equal. The best example I can give is the difference a cop in Beverly Hills has and a cop in Compton has. Yeah, they're both cops. No, their service is not equal.

    The drawdown diet: Marines steamed by loss of hot meal at Afghanistan base - World News
    Each one has an A/C and heater, bed, wifi, cable, electricity, etc
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    Each one has worms, mud, and comes with 3 hours of hard labor to make. Oh joy!
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    Daily grilling aboard FOB Leatherneck
    450x338_q75.jpg
    Cornbeefed hash Tray Rations.
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    Re: Marines Complain About Food

    Not only did I find a thread that doesn't contain partisian hackery, I learned something in the bargain! Talk about disparity of service, lol, I seriously had no idea.

    Sincerely, thank you for sleeping on rocks and eating what looks like dog food in service of your country. I appreciate it, and I appreciate you.

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    Re: Marines Complain About Food

    POG's have Purdy cush, but I can't say that I blame them. If I had known any better, I probably wouldn't have been a grunt and I would be cribbin' my ass off at the basecamp as those poor bastards crossed the wire to go live like dogs.
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    Re: Marines Complain About Food

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    There is a constant push-pull (hatred?) in our military, especially in the Army and Marine Corps, between the guys whipping it on outside the wire and the guys inside the wire sitting on these huge Forward Operating Bases (FOBs). It is the one thing we Marines and soldiers can agree on. We hate Fobbits. In the case of this story, you're hearing from a "Fobbit" (Urban Dictionary: fobbit) as we call them. The disparity amongst experiences by servicemembers is astounding. Probably more so in these wars than any other in US history.

    Below I will lay out the differences for you:

    Ground Pounders
    Lodging: At most a two man tent or fighting hole
    Sleeping arrangements: In a sleeping bag on dirt or rolled sleeping pad
    Food: MRE's and sometimes tray rations
    Schedule: Dependent upon the enemy. Usually a 4 hour perimeter watch, a 6-8 hour patrol, and a 4 hour assignment to Quick Reaction Force in case the patrol that is out gets into contact.
    Off time: Does not apply. Usually spent cleaning weapons/the patrol base or improving security measures around the base. Normally they will get 1 hour a week to call home on a satellite phone.

    Fobbits
    Lodging: Usually a converted 2 man packing container with A/C and heater complete with wifi and cable
    Sleeping arrangements: Mattress with sheets and a blanket. Possibly a cot.
    Food: Even with the reduction of meals, 3 meals a day in a buffet style setting. Think Golden Corral
    Schedule: Usually 8-12 hour shifts including 1 hour of physical training and 2, 1 hour meal periods.
    Off time: You name it. Internet cafe, coffee shops, game rooms, fast food, bazaar's, movie theaters, video game centers, outdoor pools, huge fitness centers (think Gold's Gym), R/C car tracks, barber shops/hair stylists, masseuses, etc, etc



    I totally understand the role that "Fobbits" play. They support guys like me that are outside the wire fighting the good fight. I'm not discounting their jobs. I'm discounting the fact that they live the way they live and then have the audacity to complain about it when something changes. This is not a generalization. Many, many times on my short stays aboard one of these massive wastes of money, I have heard the phrases such as "Aww man they're out of ice cream" "I can't believe we're having parmesan chicken again" "They're showing Avengers again?" "Internet's been down for like 4 hours!". Next time you want to thank a servicemember for his service, remember not all service is created equal. The best example I can give is the difference a cop in Beverly Hills has and a cop in Compton has. Yeah, they're both cops. No, their service is not equal.

    The drawdown diet: Marines steamed by loss of hot meal at Afghanistan base - World News
    Each one has an A/C and heater, bed, wifi, cable, electricity, etc
    040612mc_LeatherneckCHUs.jpg
    Each one has worms, mud, and comes with 3 hours of hard labor to make. Oh joy!
    imagesCANU7H0H.jpg
    Daily grilling aboard FOB Leatherneck
    450x338_q75.jpg
    Cornbeefed hash Tray Rations.
    images.jpg

    From what I can tell there has been a difference between the way the military treated POGs and Grunts. POGs are more like civilians in soldiers and marines clothing while grunts are the actual soldiers and marines.
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    Re: Marines Complain About Food

    I had the great fortune of being a REMF. My friends, closest I've had before or since, were not so fortunate. They've definitely always had my respect.

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    Re: Marines Complain About Food

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    From what I can tell there has been a difference between the way the military treated POGs and Grunts. POGs are more like civilians in soldiers and marines clothing while grunts are the actual soldiers and marines.
    It's not that they are treated different...it just comes with the territory. Just no room for creature comforts when you're in an infantry unit; not even mech infantry.
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    Re: Marines Complain About Food

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    From what I can tell there has been a difference between the way the military treated POGs and Grunts. POGs are more like civilians in soldiers and marines clothing while grunts are the actual soldiers and marines.
    In the words of my DS, "there are two types of people in the Army; those who kill people, and those who support people who kill people." While I have nothing but the highest respect for those who volunteer to serve in the former group, I am not at all ashamed to say that I fit squarely into the latter category.

    Did I feel like a bit of a dork sitting around at Brigade HQ in Kuwait while other soldiers were being shot at and blown up in the field? Absolutely.

    However, at the end of the day, you've got to realize that this is simply the way the modern military machine works. No offense intended to any of those present, but the inglorious truth of the matter is that traditional groundpounders have taken on secondary strategic importance to the high tech equipment which supports them.

    The days where you could conscript armies of peasants en masse, stick rifles in their hands, and march them in the general direction of the enemy with any hope of victory are all but gone. Rather than the general purpose backbone of the armed forces they used to be, traditional infantry in the age of mechanized and drone warfare have become marginalized niche assets to be utilized for specialized operations more than anything else.

    Unfortunately, the strategically all important machines which support these soldiers require small armies of specialized personnel unto themselves just to ensure that they remain in somewhat serviceable condition, and those personnel require entire corps of operational planners and organizers just to make sure that everyone is properly fed and cared for. Likewise, both of these groups, in turn, require brigades of individuals specially tasked to deal with human resources and other issues just to handle their needs, and so on and so forth.

    It's honestly kind of to be expected that the branches of the military service devoted to support and logistics would eventually grow to outpace the combat arms side given this state of affairs, and it is only going to get worse as robotics and cyberspace continue to come to the forefront of modern warfare.

    It should also be noted that the situation I described above has only been further compounded by the "asymetrical" nature of the wars we are currently fighting. Battles of will poised against entrenched insurgencies simply do not tend to involve much in the way of sweeping advances or deft manuevers. To the contrary, they generally require a lot of sitting around and waiting the other side out while stomping the occasional brushfire into submission with brute military force.

    This is only really possible if one is able to maintain a sizeable troop presence in a given area, which usually tends to require the establishment of entrenched positions from which your forces can operate for years at a time if necessary. It would be a little unrealistic to expect that these bases (many of which have been in place for a decade or more at this point) to remain at the level of WW2 style tents and hovels forever. Even Roman Forts and U.S. Cavalry Outposts on the frontier tended to make some room for creature comforts and ammenities, after all.
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    Re: Marines Complain About Food

    You can thank President Clinton for mixing civilians and field units.

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    Re: Marines Complain About Food

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
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    Re: Marines Complain About Food

    Good OP. The parmesan chicken line made me laugh. It is human nature to complain. But there is always someone who has it worse, even worse than an American infantryman. I just think you have to be cognizant about who you are around when you complain, otherwise you risk looking like a douche bag.

    I have one of the cushiest jobs in the military at this point in my career. I get to wear civilian clothes, I have diplomatic immunity, I live in better housing than anything DoD ever provides. Hell, we even get to have a nanny. And I’m just a warrant officer. Yes, I have been in the sh!t before, but for now I have it very good. Sure, it annoys me when traffic is bad. It annoys me when, on occasion, I have to work past 17:00. It annoys me when my favorite local bar is out of my preferred draft beer.

    But while those things annoy me I FULLY realize I have it good. I never complain to service members in harsher environments (which is the vast majority of them) about petty things like that. Even fobbits would scoff at me if I complained about such things. So if I feel like whining about something stupid like my AC being stuck on 72 degrees I will complain to a coworker in the same environment, but around most other service members I will keep my mouth shut. Just like an office worker in the States may complain to his coworker about his uncomfortable desk chair, he would come across as a douche making that same complaint to his cousin who is a construction worker.

    Know your audience and have a bit of empathy. Ground pounders have my utmost respect.

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