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    Re: Marines Complain About Food

    Have to say...I read the article and the guy sounded like a hobbit complaining that he didnt get his midday secondsies lunch. Like many others I spent multiple trips into the ME and have had a variety of living arrangements from sleeping on equipment in the middle of nowhere to surplus era canvas tents to the eagle package tents. Never got to the portable castles. Never had a mess hall (spent some time in Riyadh were they had TCNS making the same thing over and over and over...I preferred the MREs to stale grilled cheese and chicken yakisoba). As I read the story this is just a consequence of the draw down. Time to suck it up a little bit. They think they have it bad, try some of the K-rats and 80's era MREs...

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    Re: Marines Complain About Food

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Next time you want to thank a servicemember for his service, remember not all service is created equal.
    I just got back from a directors conference a while ago. While there several of us, all vets, went to a bar (well...that was actually pretty much an every night event). One of the guys I was with lost a leg (the second go around...he requested and was sent back after being wounded once already) and had a prosthetic and service dog. Invariably, people would come up to him (ignoring everyone else in the group) and thanked him for his service, expressed appreciation for his sacrifice, bought him drinks, and gushed. Several of us had multiple service and combat connected disabilities. I know he felt uncomfortable. I almost said something one night but had to put it in check. At the end of the day...dood is still missing a leg. All I could do was buy him a beer and give him a hug.

    Another aspect to that is the SOS program. A lot of emphasis is being given to surviving spouses and families and considerably less to spouses of husbands that came back...sort of.

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    Re: Marines Complain About Food

    I was at the "large air base in an undisclosed location/SW Asia" for a few tours. I'll tell ya, it was horrible. They only let us have THREE beers a day (and when the added Heinekein to the menu, they were only 11 oz cans!). And two Singaporean pilots got caught screwing in the swimming pool so they shut it down for a few days. It was hell, I tell ya.
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    Re: Marines Complain About Food

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    There is a constant push-pull (hatred?) in our military, especially in the Army and Marine Corps, between the guys whipping it on outside the wire and the guys inside the wire sitting on these huge Forward Operating Bases (FOBs). It is the one thing we Marines and soldiers can agree on. We hate Fobbits. In the case of this story, you're hearing from a "Fobbit" (Urban Dictionary: fobbit) as we call them. The disparity amongst experiences by servicemembers is astounding. Probably more so in these wars than any other in US history.
    If they're only cutting services at the big FOB's, I don't really care. When I was there, I was on a 60 man COP up in Kunar province living out of infested horse stables then later vietnam era tents. We had two cooks and an MKT, so if we weren't on mission we got breakfast and dinner hot, MRE for lunch.

    I don't have much pity. I shat in a bucket for 15 months and took water bottle showers while they're eating dairy queen in the AC.

    If they're cutting things for even the grunts, then I'm upset.

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    Re: Marines Complain About Food

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    You can thank President Clinton for mixing civilians and field units.
    That's due the ridiculous resizing of government that really wasn't. Those civilians in most cases were former military.
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    Re: Marines Complain About Food

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's due the ridiculous resizing of government that really wasn't. Those civilians in most cases were former military.
    What you just says don't make sense to me.

    After the wall fell, much of the military didn't have the same security requirements. President Bush approved a 5 year plan that substantially reduced the military. Besides a few whole commands turning inactive, a large portion of fixed station jobs were contracted out to civilian contract. My job was one of the ones that disappeared, when the Strategic Air Command was deactivated 21 years ago. Yes, I could have filled one of those contract jobs, but I didn't want to. There were no fields open I likes to switch to, so in 1992, I left with a $28k separation bonus.

    Now enter president Clinton. Now we have another military reduction. He just had to do more in military personnel cuts. He removed tactical jobs and replaced those with civilian contract. That, in my eyes, was a very bad move. When we went into Iraq and Afghanistan, there were several supply issues that should have never happened, because many of these civilians quit, instead of working in and near war zones.

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    Re: Marines Complain About Food

    I think the first though it would be nice to see the president cut back on his own lavish lifestyle(and his families). Set an example.

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    Re: Marines Complain About Food

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    There is a constant push-pull (hatred?) in our military, especially in the Army and Marine Corps, between the guys whipping it on outside the wire and the guys inside the wire sitting on these huge Forward Operating Bases (FOBs). It is the one thing we Marines and soldiers can agree on. We hate Fobbits. In the case of this story, you're hearing from a "Fobbit" (Urban Dictionary: fobbit) as we call them. The disparity amongst experiences by servicemembers is astounding. Probably more so in these wars than any other in US history.

    Below I will lay out the differences for you:

    Ground Pounders
    Lodging: At most a two man tent or fighting hole
    Sleeping arrangements: In a sleeping bag on dirt or rolled sleeping pad
    Food: MRE's and sometimes tray rations
    Schedule: Dependent upon the enemy. Usually a 4 hour perimeter watch, a 6-8 hour patrol, and a 4 hour assignment to Quick Reaction Force in case the patrol that is out gets into contact.
    Off time: Does not apply. Usually spent cleaning weapons/the patrol base or improving security measures around the base. Normally they will get 1 hour a week to call home on a satellite phone.

    Fobbits
    Lodging: Usually a converted 2 man packing container with A/C and heater complete with wifi and cable
    Sleeping arrangements: Mattress with sheets and a blanket. Possibly a cot.
    Food: Even with the reduction of meals, 3 meals a day in a buffet style setting. Think Golden Corral
    Schedule: Usually 8-12 hour shifts including 1 hour of physical training and 2, 1 hour meal periods.
    Off time: You name it. Internet cafe, coffee shops, game rooms, fast food, bazaar's, movie theaters, video game centers, outdoor pools, huge fitness centers (think Gold's Gym), R/C car tracks, barber shops/hair stylists, masseuses, etc, etc



    I totally understand the role that "Fobbits" play. They support guys like me that are outside the wire fighting the good fight. I'm not discounting their jobs. I'm discounting the fact that they live the way they live and then have the audacity to complain about it when something changes. This is not a generalization. Many, many times on my short stays aboard one of these massive wastes of money, I have heard the phrases such as "Aww man they're out of ice cream" "I can't believe we're having parmesan chicken again" "They're showing Avengers again?" "Internet's been down for like 4 hours!". Next time you want to thank a servicemember for his service, remember not all service is created equal. The best example I can give is the difference a cop in Beverly Hills has and a cop in Compton has. Yeah, they're both cops. No, their service is not equal.

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    When I was over yonder sand box the term we used was REMF's. Then my brother who just got out of the army started talking about FOBITs, I had to ask him what the bloody hell a FOBIT was, I thought it was some sort of deformed or deranged hobbit. Of course I am the guy who went past the street sign in camp Arifjan that said BOHICA wondering just what the hell that ment for two bloody years, before finally figuring out what it ment. Especially considering it was next to the signs FUBAR and SNAFU. I was a civilian and had to do the tent thing for a few months. Talk about suckage. Sand gets EVERYWERE. I am glad and grateful I didn't have to sleep in a bloody hole at least. When we finally got real barracks I was very happy camper. Tell you what, it was amazing watching those bases get built up. Whole towns springing up in a matter of months. They still even use the term REMF's or BTWW?
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    Re: Marines Complain About Food

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    What you just says don't make sense to me.

    After the wall fell, much of the military didn't have the same security requirements. President Bush approved a 5 year plan that substantially reduced the military. Besides a few whole commands turning inactive, a large portion of fixed station jobs were contracted out to civilian contract. My job was one of the ones that disappeared, when the Strategic Air Command was deactivated 21 years ago. Yes, I could have filled one of those contract jobs, but I didn't want to. There were no fields open I likes to switch to, so in 1992, I left with a $28k separation bonus.

    Now enter president Clinton. Now we have another military reduction. He just had to do more in military personnel cuts. He removed tactical jobs and replaced those with civilian contract. That, in my eyes, was a very bad move. When we went into Iraq and Afghanistan, there were several supply issues that should have never happened, because many of these civilians quit, instead of working in and near war zones.
    I was a civilian over in yonder sand box. Without my crew and my happy ass delivering fuel to the FOBs and every other bag farm, those Humvees helos and other assorted heavy artillery would have been big ass bricks and worth just as much. Trust me the military needed all the logistical help they could muster. Which ment me and mine. By the way I am NOT former military.
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    Re: Marines Complain About Food

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    What you just says don't make sense to me.

    After the wall fell, much of the military didn't have the same security requirements. President Bush approved a 5 year plan that substantially reduced the military. Besides a few whole commands turning inactive, a large portion of fixed station jobs were contracted out to civilian contract. My job was one of the ones that disappeared, when the Strategic Air Command was deactivated 21 years ago. Yes, I could have filled one of those contract jobs, but I didn't want to. There were no fields open I likes to switch to, so in 1992, I left with a $28k separation bonus.

    Now enter president Clinton. Now we have another military reduction. He just had to do more in military personnel cuts. He removed tactical jobs and replaced those with civilian contract. That, in my eyes, was a very bad move. When we went into Iraq and Afghanistan, there were several supply issues that should have never happened, because many of these civilians quit, instead of working in and near war zones.
    The plan was to reduce the size of government as a whole. The only thing that got reduced was the number of federal employees, yet support contractors increased proportionately. Yes the military was reduced simultaneously. It was total bull****, and made no common sense. It was part of Al Gore's reinventing govt.
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