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Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

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yobarnacle said:
you and others miss the point.

YOUR contention is it's "wrong" to disallow gays, and Christians say it's "wrong" to disallow our religious beliefs.

You can say, gays should be served in public restaurants, but a church building is NOT a public building.
It was purchased, maybe built, certainly maintained, by the congregation. it's PRIVATE property, and beyond you having ANY say in it's use. :)
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So you are arguing that my "contention" for people who are "contentious" about gays is wrong because there is contention.

Well good thing I never claimed to not be a hypocrite. It is impossible to not judge. The sentence you carry out with your judgement however matters direly.
 
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winston53660 said:
They have agreed to the rules for preferential tax treatment.
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And how in heaven is being discretionary in who they permit use of THEIR facility breaking rules for "preferential" treatment?
 
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yobarnacle said:
And how in heaven is being discretionary in who they permit use of THEIR facility breaking rules for "preferential" treatment?
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I didn't say it was. I said the Church has given up some rights (electioneering) for preferential treatment. Asfaras I'm concerned it is within their rights to act lik dick heads and kick out the scouts.
 
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winston53660 said:
I didn't say it was. I said the Church has given up some rights (electioneering) for preferential treatment. Asfaras I'm concerned it is within their rights to act lik dick heads and kick out the scouts.
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They have to kick them out. The church is governed by the bible, which plainly condemns homosexuality. Any church that sanctions the Boy Scouts as an organization is wrong.

Most Baptist churches I know of would allow homosexuals to attend worship services. In doing so, however, they would find that the scripture calls this homosexual lifestyle an abomination. Only if they caused a scene or problem would they be made to leave.
 
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Hard Truth said:
No deciding is necessary, it just happened because the conditions were right. Animal-vegetable-mineral is not all there is. There are many elements besides minerals-a planet may have an atmosphere with gases like oxygen, and liquids such as water and all sorts of other elements and compounds. Thinking rocks are not required.

The energy mostly comes from the nearby star (sun). It could be in a wide range of forms-lightning, wind, tides etc.

Asking "why?" erroneously assumes that there needs to be a thoughtful reason for everything. The answer to why is that because the conditions were right, so it happened. It is what happens under those exact circumstances.

Many of your questions are based on assumptions that are not relevant or valid.

You are correct that the whole thing is improbable because of all the factors that need to be just right at the same time, but improbable is not the same as impossible. Remember that there was a huge amount of time for this to happen and and a huge number of places with different conditions. We now know that there are many planets without life. It may be that this is the only planet where it all came together for life to happen.

Any supernatural theory of life raises a huge number of questions that no one can answer. Who created the god? Who created the thing that created the god? Who created the very first god-maker?
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" Any supernatural theory of life raises a huge number of questions that no one can answer."

Hmmm....sounds.....just like the huge number of questions as to who/what originally created all these minerals, the gases, the sun for energy... where did all this, not even worrying about achieving exactly the right conditions for this primordial soup to then brew up life from nothing [if it wasn't rocks, something not alive "decided" to become alive], come from? If you can answer that it was...ta da! .... just there... well, how is that any more scientific than god was just there? It isn't. So, please at least know your place in the pecking order... which may be no lower, certainly no higher.

To an inquiring scientific mind, all the questions I ask should be valid... to those who just want to ignore one of the major possibilities, well, that seems even less scientific. Where did DNA come from? The will to survive, what is the science behind that, is there some imperative or was that just accidental as well? All these accidents, and so many more, just happened... after taking into consideration that all these materials came from where, again? All pertinent unless being of the so many who want to just ignore, put hands over eyes and ears, yet, wonder of wonders, somehow for some reason, not over the mouth.
 
jwzg said:
There are now 5 users on my ignore list for this type behavior. Two of them are participating in this thread. Guess who?
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They pointed out that you were wrong and you didn't like that. Feel free to add me to your ignore list too. Hell, ignore everyone!
 
Uhhh, no.

They either a) troll b) engage in dishonest debates c) engage in hyperpartisanry. Those three things I have no patience for and would rather not waste my time and that of my fellow members.

Cephus said:
They pointed out that you were wrong and you didn't like that. Feel free to add me to your ignore list too. Hell, ignore everyone!
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Navy Pride said:
You just might be surprised with all the pedophiles around.
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Most pedophiles are STRAIGHT NP.......and those who are gay are almost never openly gay. They usually pretend to be straight and are living otherwise "normal" lives. You know...the kind of guys that you would LOVE to have as a scoutmaster because they are lying about their sexual orientation, which I know makes people like you feel more comfortable than if they were telling the truth.
 
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Mason66 said:
Where did you live that 10 year olds were dating?
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Where do you live that they aren't?

and remember dating for them means things like holding hands on the playground and their 'boyfriends' or 'girlfriends' sometimes last no longer than a day or two. The point is that they show an interest and they can know who they're interested in at a young age.
 
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clownboy said:
Hoding hands on the playground is not a date and in kindergarten I was still receiving cootie shots. Calling it dating is indicative of the movement we've made in the sexualization of children to younger ages.
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No it does not! :moody

Where I come from dating means spending more time with someone you like. Spending more time with someone you like is not sexualizing anything. When kids say they're dating at that age it means they're holding hands on the playground or pushing each other on the swing set.

I read a 'dear abby' letter a little while back from a nine year old who was upset that all of her friends were dating and she wasn't.

The point of all this is that a lot of kids at that age have some sense of whether they want to hold Jack or Jill's hand on the playground.
 
jwzg said:
Uhhh, no.

They either a) troll b) engage in dishonest debates c) engage in hyperpartisanry. Those three things I have no patience for and would rather not waste my time and that of my fellow members.
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No, you simply identify them that way to get out of an honest debate based on factual issues and evidence.
 
You know not what you speak. Good day.
Cephus said:
No, you simply identify them that way to get out of an honest debate based on factual issues and evidence.
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Gaugingcatenate said:
" Any supernatural theory of life raises a huge number of questions that no one can answer."

Hmmm....sounds.....just like the huge number of questions as to who/what originally created all these minerals, the gases, the sun for energy... where did all this, not even worrying about achieving exactly the right conditions for this primordial soup to then brew up life from nothing [if it wasn't rocks, something not alive "decided" to become alive], come from? If you can answer that it was...ta da! .... just there... well, how is that any more scientific than god was just there? It isn't. So, please at least know your place in the pecking order... which may be no lower, certainly no higher.

To an inquiring scientific mind, all the questions I ask should be valid... to those who just want to ignore one of the major possibilities, well, that seems even less scientific. Where did DNA come from? The will to survive, what is the science behind that, is there some imperative or was that just accidental as well? All these accidents, and so many more, just happened... after taking into consideration that all these materials came from where, again? All pertinent unless being of the so many who want to just ignore, put hands over eyes and ears, yet, wonder of wonders, somehow for some reason, not over the mouth.
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Where did God come from? Who/what originally created God?

God came from where, again?
 
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sangha said:
Where did God come from? Who/what originally created God?

God came from where, again?
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God is eternal, the Creator. He is not finite and thus has no beginning or end. We are finite, all we know is the finite and thus all we can truly comprehend are finite principals. To us everything must have had a beginning and should have an end. In the physical finite universe this is true, but this does not apply to the infinite like God.
 
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sangha said:
Where did God come from? Who/what originally created God?

God came from where, again?
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A peanut yep a peanut
 
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digsbe said:
God is eternal, the Creator. He is not finite and thus has no beginning or end. We are finite, all we know is the finite and thus all we can truly comprehend are finite principals. To us everything must have had a beginning and should have an end. In the physical finite universe this is true, but this does not apply to the infinite like God.
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IOW, God doesn't need a Creator...

but the universe does!! :lamo
 
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sangha said:
IOW, God doesn't need a Creator...

but the universe does!! :lamo
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Because the universe is finite, it's physical and by scientific law we know that matter and energy can neither be created or destroyed.
 
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winston53660 said:
For tax paying entities. But when a Church accepts tax exemptions they also the rules of the exemption and that preferential treatment.
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The rules for religions are different than the rules for other types of non-profits, they are in a separate class. Religions have virtually no obligations in return for their tax exempt status. One of the few restrictions they have for their tax exempt status is limits of election related advocacy. Per the first amendment, religions shouldn't be required to do anything (within reason) inconsistent with their religion.

However, in my opinion, their tax status should be the same as other organizations that exist primarily for the benefit of their members, such as country clubs and social clubs and they should be free to get involved in elections without restrictions.
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
" Any supernatural theory of life raises a huge number of questions that no one can answer."

Hmmm....sounds.....just like the huge number of questions as to who/what originally created all these minerals, the gases, the sun for energy... where did all this, not even worrying about achieving exactly the right conditions for this primordial soup to then brew up life from nothing [if it wasn't rocks, something not alive "decided" to become alive], come from? If you can answer that it was...ta da! .... just there... well, how is that any more scientific than god was just there? It isn't. So, please at least know your place in the pecking order... which may be no lower, certainly no higher.

To an inquiring scientific mind, all the questions I ask should be valid... to those who just want to ignore one of the major possibilities, well, that seems even less scientific. Where did DNA come from? The will to survive, what is the science behind that, is there some imperative or was that just accidental as well? All these accidents, and so many more, just happened... after taking into consideration that all these materials came from where, again? All pertinent unless being of the so many who want to just ignore, put hands over eyes and ears, yet, wonder of wonders, somehow for some reason, not over the mouth.
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Science has theories on the origins of planets and stars, which is the big bang theory. I'm not aware of any theories that explain anything before the big bang, but I'm sure that some researchers and theorists are investigating those questions.

There are thousands of religions with theories on the origins of the universe and/or our planet. I don't know of any good reason to start investigating any or all of them since there pretty surely were no eye witnesses and there is no evidence suggesting that any one belief is supported by known facts.
 
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Threads like this always make me shake my head. It's amazing to me how diluted our society's understanding of exactly what religion is.
 
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sangha said:
Where did God come from? Who/what originally created God?

God came from where, again?
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Thanks... for not answering my questions, not possible, no provable answers exist...would have tried to clobber me with answers if in your possession... instead we have glaring, blinking neon absences, post after post laying out the dilemma for your side. For both sides, actually. However, mine understands that ours are beliefs, beliefs about what is a faith story , we admit it. So...

You asked me the correct reciprocal questions, though, which I also cannot answer...neither side can...

...proving my point precisely, yet better than me just explaining it alone, so thanks. Neither side has a corner on the answers to those...this being the impasse, the logjam, quandary leading ultimately to our current quagmire.



Now, this was either a eureka!! moment, with many lights, old news photog-like, exploding flash bulbs going off all over, bringing with them cascading insights...or was it more of the just ho-hummishness, a yeah yeah... ---'cause you already knew, just doing the obligatory hide job, best you could, long as you could?

Not that we'll ever get answers to those, either...

Ahhhh....Slanting more towards evening here, anything dawning over there, yet?
 
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Hard Truth said:
Science has theories on the origins of planets and stars, which is the big bang theory. I'm not aware of any theories that explain anything before the big bang, but I'm sure that some researchers and theorists are investigating those questions.

There are thousands of religions with theories on the origins of the universe and/or our planet. I don't know of any good reason to start investigating any or all of them since there pretty surely were no eye witnesses and there is no evidence suggesting that any one belief is supported by known facts.
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Oh sure there are lots of "scientists" coming up with new theories all the time, just like religions do/have done. So we are in agreement that both are just belief systems.

Now that is progress.
 
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Hard Truth said:
The rules for religions are different than the rules for other types of non-profits, they are in a separate class. Religions have virtually no obligations in return for their tax exempt status. One of the few restrictions they have for their tax exempt status is limits of election related advocacy. Per the first amendment, religions shouldn't be required to do anything (within reason) inconsistent with their religion.
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Fine by me. Hope they don't expect to be covered by public services like police and fire that they decide not to pay for.
 
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Monserrat said:
No it does not! :moody

Where I come from dating means spending more time with someone you like. Spending more time with someone you like is not sexualizing anything. When kids say they're dating at that age it means they're holding hands on the playground or pushing each other on the swing set.

I read a 'dear abby' letter a little while back from a nine year old who was upset that all of her friends were dating and she wasn't.

The point of all this is that a lot of kids at that age have some sense of whether they want to hold Jack or Jill's hand on the playground.
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That's just it. The kids don't say they are dating at that age. That is your word.
 
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