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Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

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Shadow Serious said:
You are supposed to love your enemy not for your enemy sake but for ones own so that hatred will not infest your heart and you wold not go down to paths of darkness.




Good for you, they do though.




What does being a control freak have to anything? They are simply not allowing an org to use their premises to promote a belief conrrary to their doctrine.





They belive the scripture is the uncorupted and true word of God.





That is your impression of reading the Bible they have a diffrent view.




So you think it is not sin and feel it is not sin.




That is correct but in this case I think they have at ballance the scripture behind them as it is written.
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If the bible is so perfect then please explain this 1 portion to me. I came across it while I was reading the bible and taking a **** and it absolutely astounded me.

2 Kings 23 -

"Elisha left Jericho and went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, a group of boys from the town began mocking and making fun of him. "Go away, baldy!" they chanted. "Go away, baldy!" Elisha turned around and looked at them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of them."
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Is God bald? Do you really, really think the "Father of All That is True" would mall 42 kids with bears because they called a man bald?

And wether you think so or not someone in the past has edited the bible here and there to control others. Test it out yourself and find out! Rip a page out of your bible and add a new one in. Lets see if God stops you. Im betting on he truly wouldnt care because he didnt sponsor it. I bet he might even smile for a little bit at your bravery. But thats just a guess on my part.

There is too much in the bible that says "Obey your elders, lords." "Dont be rebellious." "Take this land here and portion it off in a specific way for your use to praise the lord" and it all sounds like excuses to control people in mass to me. What if the people you arent supposed to question happen to be evil? Flawed Bible.

I was Christian until I actually started reading the bible and got to parts that made me think, "Whatttt... the... helll...?!"

If the Christian god is truly god as depicted in the bible and he would maul children for saying "baldy" then he is a Lord Of Terror. A demon pretending to be altruistic God to only those who obey him without faltering (and even then he still sometimes "allows" satan to torture and test those who obey). Conditioning through fear.

What are you going to do when you stand in front of God and he says "Oops you didnt think on yoru own. You had blind faith in me and THIS is what truly enables evil within the world. Goodbye" and casts you into hell for being a robot?
 
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Most churches believe that gay sex or straight sex outside of marriage is a mortal sin....
 
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Navy Pride said:
Most churches believe that gay sex or straight sex outside of marriage is a mortal sin....Good for the church.
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I doubt any of these little kids has had sex yet.... People can know if they are gay or not before having sex.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
I doubt any of these little kids has had sex yet.... People can know if they are gay or not before having sex.
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You just might be surprised with all the pedophiles around.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
If the bible is so perfect then please explain this 1 portion to me. I came across it while I was reading the bible and taking a **** and it absolutely astounded me.



Is God bald? Do you really, really think the "Father of All That is True" would mall 42 kids with bears because they called a man bald?

And wether you think so or not someone in the past has edited the bible here and there to control others. Test it out yourself and find out! Rip a page out of your bible and add a new one in. Lets see if God stops you. Im betting on he truly wouldnt care because he didnt sponsor it. I bet he might even smile for a little bit at your bravery. But thats just a guess on my part.

There is too much in the bible that says "Obey your elders, lords." "Dont be rebellious." "Take this land here and portion it off in a specific way for your use to praise the lord" and it all sounds like excuses to control people in mass to me. What if the people you arent supposed to question happen to be evil? Flawed Bible.

I was Christian until I actually started reading the bible and got to parts that made me think, "Whatttt... the... helll...?!"

If the Christian god is truly god as depicted in the bible and he would maul children for saying "baldy" then he is a Lord Of Terror. A demon pretending to be altruistic God to only those who obey him without faltering (and even then he still sometimes "allows" satan to torture and test those who obey). Conditioning through fear.

What are you going to do when you stand in front of God and he says "Oops you didnt think on yoru own. You had blind faith in me and THIS is what truly enables evil within the world. Goodbye" and casts you into hell for being a robot?
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I suppose the parents of those boys were openly oposed to God's own selected profit. And they copied their parents and they got the penalty for both. Any way what does this have to do with a church rejecting an orginization from their ground that teaches values counter to their own?
 
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Shadow Serious said:
I suppose the parents of those boys were openly oposed to God's own selected profit. And they copied their parents and they got the penalty for both. Any way what does this have to do with a church rejecting an orginization from their ground that teaches values counter to their own?
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I guess I read to fast and thought you said YOU think the bible is perfect. But now that I read it again you said "they". I was pointing out that Im pretty sure its not even though I believe in an altruistic omni-being. I guess I would like to ask them the meaning of this passage and not you. And some of the other oddball ones that made me go WTF I cant remember.

Shadow Serious said:
They belive the scripture is the uncorupted and true word of God.
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oops.

If these people truly believe that wouldn't they be killing people in the name of God? Wouldnt they instantly pluck out their left eye? I think they are just lazy and want to feel good about themselves as easily as possible.
 
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clownboy said:
AFTER you pointed out my error, mistaking he said OT when he actually said NT I immediately admitted that mistake and posted this:



Which contained ONE OT reference, which you also caught.

This seems to be a theme with you this trollish behavior.
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And you're *still* dodging the point

You tried to dismiss brothern's comments by pointing to a mistake he made (even though it wasn't a mistake) while insisting that you're an expert, in spite of the several mistakes you have made about christianity
 
Shadow Serious said:
Apparently the left wing thnks compasion comes from the pocket book so they dont either.
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Apparently, the right thinks that feeding the poor and providing health care to the sick has nothing to do with compassion

Like I said, the right wing doesn't understand compassion
 
sangha said:
Apparently, the right thinks that feeding the poor and providing health care to the sick has nothing to do with compassion

Like I said, the right wing doesn't understand compassion
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Compassion comes from the heart and a "left wing" idea is to take someone elses money to give to one in need and not having to deal with any of that messy heart buisness. The "right wing" idea is to personaly contribute to a charity or other such org to brng about the same result. At least it is more personal that way.
 
Shadow Serious said:
Compassion comes from the heart and a "left wing" idea is to take someone elses money to give to one in need and not having to deal with any of that messy heart buisness. The "right wing" idea is to personaly contribute to a charity or other such org to brng about the same result. At least it is more personal that way.
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All you're doing is proving that I'm right....the right wingers don't understand compassion
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Main thing to say is, you can no more prove yours right than you can prove ours wrong... sweet and simple.
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The difference is, we are comfortable with admitting we don't know how the universe began. You guys on the other hand can't stand the thought of not knowing something, so you made up a sky man story to make you sleep better at night and as a cop-out to harass your fellow man.

Making something up, like, "I believe in a flying spaghetti monster", then claiming it must be true because it can't be proven wrong is just rather sad and childish.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
The difference is, we are comfortable with admitting we don't know how the universe began. You guys on the other hand can't stand the thought of not knowing something, so you made up a sky man story to make you sleep better at night and as a cop-out to harass your fellow man.

Making something up, like, "I believe in a flying spaghetti monster", then claiming it must be true because it can't be proven wrong is just rather sad and childish.
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And yet...and yet you would have us believe that, basically, a rock decides it wants to be alive in the future, so it, somehow, figures that out and actually does this amazing feat that even these so intelligent, highly qualified and motivated "scienctist" creating all the most favorable circumstances, even they cannot achieve...

And....wonder of wonders, this rock also somehow figures out how to create a completely new idea, DNA, to continue rocks becoming alive and striving to continue to live, providing for diversity, blah blah blah...and claim this to be true even though it cannot be proven true, or just as probably if not more probably is untrue... and then DEMAND that all the rest of us study this silliness as if it were absolutely true and also accept it... that is a little just a little dictatorial, would you not agree? At least our side asks you to voluntarily accept it, its not foisted upon us in the schools that, in effect, worship these scientific "pronouncements" as sacred of this small scientific elite and what they say, which is what they say must go...

You talk about sad and childish, and add that dimension of totalitarianism...scary...
 
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Cephus said:
Yet while we don't have any proof for the origins of everything, at least science doesn't go around just making up absurd nonsense because they're uncomfortable not knowing. That's the province of religion.

And no, it's not all that objective because if you wanted to be honest, you'd just admit you don't know and leave it at that, you wouldn't believe in gods and other mythological nonsense.
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Ummmm...science doesn't go around making up their own brands of nonsense? You are much too full of yourself...that's just exactly what very many theories are... and rocks somehow deciding on becoming somehow living things, all by themselves...come on...does that not somehow sound a little silly to you...or...existence from nothingness?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/books/review/a-universe-from-nothing-by-lawrence-m-krauss.html


I admit I do not know, I also admit that you don't know, so why do you folks force this upon us in our schools and then complain when we offer another view in our private lives... can't take the competition for the minds of the people? Not a fair fight is it?

And sure, there are times I think I am discussing things with an absolute rock here on Debate Politics, but that's just not quite the same thing...
 
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Shadow Serious said:
Yet some people are having a cow when the officers of the religion no longer accept a chapter of the orginization, the BSA, in the church grounds for the purpose of promoting its agenda whic includes the acceptance of homosexuality which is against the precepts of the Church. Why not accept that the BSA cannot use the Church building any more?
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I really don't give a damn whether they do or not. If every church were to severe ties with BSA, I'm all for that. Less influence the church has in that case. All most of us are doing is condemning bigotry where it's found and pointing out the stupidity of the whole thing.
 
Goshin said:
I remember people on DP cheering and exhibiting great enthusiasm as various entities closed their sites to the BSA when they had continued in their ban on openly-gay scouts and scoutmasters, expressing great joy at each curtailment of BSA access or activity and saying "serves them right!"


Now, someone is cutting the BSA off for accepting homosexuals and everyone is down on them with harsh criticism.


Action A and Action B are identical.... an org says "we can't support the BSA in their policy" and denies access. You cheer one and denigrate the other because the action is taken for opposite causes.


So apparently... it's perfectly fine to "stand on principle"... but only when you agree with the principle being stood upon, right?
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Much as the fundies will support this exclusion of the BSA by the church but would not support excluding them when they discriminated against gays. It is entirely about picking a side that you believe is in the right, but hopefully be consistent. Don't support (or protest) discrimination against one group but not others, or obsess over a few biblical passages and ignore others on the same goddamn page.
 
This is along the lines of, "there was no holocaust". Welcome to the ignore list. #Bonzai is desparate

Bonzai said:
There was no Roman tyranny. That is just a fabrication of Christian propagandists. That "tyranny" involved, if you read between the lines, legalized abortion and gay people not being subject to the death penalty. If you're a "liberal" who buys into Christian spew, well, then you're really a conservative.........................
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There are now 5 users on my ignore list for this type behavior. Two of them are participating in this thread. Guess who?

clownboy said:
AFTER you pointed out my error, mistaking he said OT when he actually said NT I immediately admitted that mistake and posted this:



Which contained ONE OT reference, which you also caught.

This seems to be a theme with you this trollish behavior.
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Gaugingcatenate said:
And yet...and yet you would have us believe that, basically, a rock decides it wants to be alive in the future, so it, somehow, figures that out and actually does this amazing feat that even these so intelligent, highly qualified and motivated "scienctist" creating all the most favorable circumstances, even they cannot achieve...

And....wonder of wonders, this rock also somehow figures out how to create a completely new idea, DNA, to continue rocks becoming alive and striving to continue to live, providing for diversity, blah blah blah...and claim this to be true even though it cannot be proven true, or just as probably if not more probably is untrue... and then DEMAND that all the rest of us study this silliness as if it were absolutely true and also accept it... that is a little just a little dictatorial, would you not agree? At least our side asks you to voluntarily accept it, its not foisted upon us in the schools that, in effect, worship these scientific "pronouncements" as sacred of this small scientific elite and what they say, which is what they say must go...

You talk about sad and childish, and add that dimension of totalitarianism...scary...
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Hrm... Well, rocks have been around for about 13 billion something years, and they haven't evolved, so I'm not quite sure where you're getting that from.

The fact that you deny evolution is about as silly as denying gravity. Both are "theories", yet both are supported by an unbelievably high amount of evidence. Your hypothesis has been supported with 'lack' of evidence to the contrary. The fact that you even file your evidenceless beliefs with that of the scientific process is quite troubling.

I also like the "scientists can't create evolution in the lab" argument. It truly shows how clueless you actually are on evolution. First, it has occured in the lab. One of the many cases was fruit flies over 32 generations developing a low tolerance to oxygen conditions that would kill any normal fruit fly. [source]. Out of the lab is where the real evidence is, we see species changing, adapting, and evolving all the time.

Genetic variance is a concept even you can't deny. You and your sibling may be strikingly different. He may be tall, you short, he has blonde hair, you have brown hair, maybe you have some qualities that don't match your family at all. These variations play a role to your survivability. If you're living in the wild, your brother, being taller or faster, would likely have a higher chance of outliving you, making the chance that he gets to procreate and you don't higher. His children will likely be slightly taller than your children. Pan this out over hundreds of millions of years, millions of generations, and certain genetic mutations will propogate themselves.

We've proven this happens over, and over, and over again with extreme attention to detail. Though considering your complete lack of knowledge on what evolution even is, I expect this explanation to be completely in vain, as you will likely cover your ears, begin shouting "no no no no" and shove your head back in your bible.

So seeing as how you've made your views clear about evolution, you must believe both of the following:
- God is the ultimate trickster. He placed an insurmountable amount of evidence and fossil records in order to trick us into believing the exact opposite of what he wanted us to think.
- The earth and mankind was created 6,000 years ago in the garden of eden, therefore there can be no evolution.

Considering those two viewpoints, I don't think any amount of evidence or logic I could possibly present could make you see the light.

jwzg said:
There are now 5 users on my ignore list for this type behavior. Two of them are participating in this thread. Guess who?


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jwzg said:
This is along the lines of, "there was no holocaust". Welcome to the ignore list. #Bonzai is desparate


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I guess it's always easier to block someone rather than provide a thoughtful rebuttal of his hypothesis.

Why exactly are you on a debate site right now?
 
RA, sorry, but if a fruit fly demonstrates greater O2 uptake or a family line of humans becomes taller over time, the DNA is still that of a fruit fly or a human, and it has not gained traits. It is simply expressing information that is already there. Where traits are gained, lost or mutated, there is no positive benefit. I'm not a strict creationist, per se, but what you speak of is really not evolution in the sense it is taught in schools.
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RabidAlpaca said:
Hrm... Well, rocks have been around for about 13 billion something years, and they haven't evolved, so I'm not quite sure where you're getting that from.
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They get it from the same place they get their silly creation stories - they make it up
 
jwzg said:
RA, sorry, but if a fruit fly demonstrates greater O2 uptake or a family line of humans becomes taller over time, the DNA is still that of a fruit fly or a human, and it has not gained traits. It is simply expressing information that is already there. Where traits are gained, lost or mutated, there is no positive benefit. I'm not a strict creationist, per se, but what you speak of is really not evolution in the sense it is taught in schools.
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Yes, when fruit flies start having DNA that no fruit fly has ever had before, it is still "fruit fly DNA" :screwy

DNA is merely a series of four nucleotides. None of these sequences "belong" to any specific species, as demonstrated by scientists who have inserted DNA from one species of organism into another species.
 
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sangha said:
They get it from the same place they get their silly creation stories - they make it up
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Hm. Well, science teaches us that first there was literally nothing an then there was a giant explosion of light followed by the formation of mass, that the earth was covered with water for a time, before developing plant life, animal life, and finally human life; humans living in a natural state for a while before developing civilization.

The bible teaches us that first there was literally nothing an then there was a giant explosion of light followed by the formation of mass, that the earth was covered with water for a time, before developing plant life, animal life, and finally human life; humans living in a natural state for a while before developing civilization.

Compare that to other creation stories and see which one looks weirdly prescient to you.
 
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