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Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

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vendur said:
"And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."
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Oh no!! Those dirty boyscouts are stealing the floor space of churches not in congregation with their sexuality! Oh no they are building a den of thieves to take the common peoples money!!!! /sarcasm

Common dude get some perspective. You are shoving scripture into places to feel good about the natural hate you have within yourself. Stop being greedy and admit your natural hate and hiding behind the bible.
 
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Monserrat said:
How is getting kids away from the xbox and letting them join in building campfires and whatever else they do (under adult supervision) a negative thing?
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Somewhat of a straw man would you not agree? Who said anything about such a thing? Not me.

How about we be inclusive and add all the meth addicts, would that satisfy your acceptable inclusion parameters [ oh my bad, most certainly it would meet your parameters, no groups should be targeted, that would be unacceptable ]? How about race supremacists of any sort, include them all, right? Serial murderers as a group, include, Drug cartel members, include... include all people with highly contagious diseases, who else, who else could we include...oh, yeah, absolutely everybody... convicted child molesters too, even?

Bring 'em all on down, huh? Yeeeehaaa ha ha ha ha
 
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vendur said:
The boys who happen to be in boyscouts are not being booted out of church. The organization is being booted out of the church.
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While the pasture rests his huge paunch on the pulpit every Sunday? From my experience the morbidly obese where LEADING the church in my towns. At least from the 2 churches I went to. They were accepting the money of charity and faith and putting it right into their stomach. And there where hungry bums that still exsisted in my town that food could have gone to in an attempt to lure the hungry into church. Im sorry you guys cant see the natural hate that resides within your heart. Any way you cut it banning gays from church is hateful. And this pasture can disguise and pretty his words up any way he wants but in the end he drove gays out of his church (possibly? Where any of the boyscouts here even gay?)
 
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Verthaine said:
Is that an opinion,or a fact?If it is a fact please present proof that it will be the case.
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As just stated to another poster... you want to include all convicted child molesters as a group to become Boy Scouts members? We certainly should never exclude them, should we? Blah blah blah...

This all should be rather self evident... but should you need additional assistance... maybe check with Sherlock Holmes in helping you ascertain some of the pertinent clues... as sangha assures me Sherlock is on your side of this argument....
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
How about we be inclusive and add all the meth addicts,
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addiction is a disease being gay is not

How about race supremacists of any sort, include them all, right?
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Why? When their whole existence is based on exclusion. Kinda like this preacher guy who wants to exclude gays.

Serial murderers as a group, include, Drug cartel members, include... include all people with highly contagious diseases, who else, who else could we include...oh, yeah, absolutely everybody... convicted child molesters too, even?
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:roll:
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
Oh no!! Those dirty boyscouts are stealing the floor space of churches not in congregation with their sexuality! Oh no they are building a den of thieves to take the common peoples money!!!! /sarcasm

Common dude get some perspective. You are shoving scripture into places to feel good about the natural hate you have within yourself. Stop being greedy and admit your natural hate and hiding behind the bible.
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if you can't be bothered to make a point, than don't bother to make a post.
 
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Verthaine said:
Says who?
Like I written before,none of us have the ability to accurately see into the future.For anyone knows,you may the one that is wrong.
If I am wrong,please present definitive proof of it.
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Ha ha ha....
Hey, sorry, am ever so slightly busy at the mo, gonna have to sit this one out for a while....

But....thankfully you seem to know your stuff already ;), so why don't you give us all the definitive proof against it...
 
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winston53660 said:
addiction is a disease being gay is not
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Please read and comprehend the post before hitting the reply button. We are talking about all groups being included, none excluded.



winston53660 said:
Why? When their whole existence is based on exclusion. Kinda like this preacher guy who wants to exclude gays.
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See above... gotta keep up winston....
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Somewhat of a straw man would you not agree? Who said anything about such a thing? Not me.

How about we be inclusive and add all the meth addicts, would that satisfy your acceptable inclusion parameters [ oh my bad, most certainly it would meet your parameters, no groups should be targeted, that would be unacceptable ]? How about race supremacists of any sort, include them all, right? Serial murderers as a group, include, Drug cartel members, include... include all people with highly contagious diseases, who else, who else could we include...oh, yeah, absolutely everybody... convicted child molesters too, even?

Bring 'em all on down, huh? Yeeeehaaa ha ha ha ha
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ummm, no not at all. A straw man is an informal fallacy where you establish a separate similar yet unequivalent proposition that you can then easily dispute aka knock/blow down the straw man. I didn't do that. I can't say the same about you though since that's exactly what you did in your above post.
 
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vendur said:
if you can't be bothered to make a point, than don't bother to make a post.
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The point is right in front of you. Jesus died because of the way you are acting in this thread right now. Albeit, not as extreme as back then because we live in a more refined world.
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Please read and comprehend the post before hitting the reply button. We are talking about all groups being included, none excluded.
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Yes I know and you are taking it to the the absurd. As if meth heads and gays have anything in common.
 
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Monserrat said:
ummm, no not at all. A straw man is an informal fallacy where you establish a separate similar yet unequivalent proposition that you can then easily dispute aka knock/blow down the straw man. I didn't do that. I can't say the same about you though since that's exactly what you did in your above post.
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Well, lets put that to the test, here is the quote of what I believe is a straw man:

Monserrat said:
How is getting kids away from the xbox and letting them join or not join in building campfires and whatever else they do (under adult supervision) a negative thing?
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Now, establish for us where I ever said anything about getting kids away from xboxes or not.... or letting them join in building campfires, blah blah...never said it, never alluded to it, do not believe it, they have the freedoms to do what they want with others who would join them... they cannot, however, force people to join them and certainly should not be able to force themselves, unwanted, upon others.

I never said anything about xboxes or joining in building campfires one way or another.... You imply that I advocate them just continuing on their x boxes and not allowing them to join in making campfires, etc....straw man, my man.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
No, it's that he's picked what he thinks is a worse sin, then discriminated on it. (Which he can do, but it doesn't line up with the bible.)

So let's get this straight:

- The boy scouts are a sinful organization because they now allow sinners. (homosexuals)
- There are no gradients of sin. All sin is equal in the eyes of god.
- We are all sinners.
- Churches allow humans into their church, which because they're human, are also sinners.

Therefore, this church is doing the EXACT SAME THING the boyscouts are doing. They're allowing sinners into their congregation (that's the point of a church!)

You don't see the hypocrasy in this? So the boyscouts previously let those guilty of gluttony, lust, envy, and all the other sins, and that was ok, but as soon as they let homosexuals in, that's a no-no because that sin is worse?

Show me in the bible where it says homosexuality is a worse sin than the others.
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Precisely. That pastor like so many other people believe that what you do is wrong. They believe it is a sin. They arent hunting you down and they certainly arent thtreatening to kill you, unlike your other gay brethren suggested here earlier in this thread should be done to Christians. They believe homosexuality is a sin and it is wrong. There have been laws on the books in this country and around the world because people believe it is wrong, yes, even 'more wrong' than eating too much. You disagree. Fine. The beauty of it is no one is suggesting you shouldnt be gay. No one is stopping you from being gay, and now, the BSA is even saying you can be a youth and be gay and still be scout. The pastor disagrees with you, and them, and look at how that makes you lose your ****ing mind.

Be gay. Be VERY happy. Live, love, find true peace and happiness. Many people disagree with you. Their opinion, MY opinion shouldnt matter. That it makes people so angry or that it causes some people to suggest gay folk ought to begin murdering Christians is a pretty good indicator not of how others feel about you but about how you feel about yourself.
 
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Straight people who engage in anal and oral sex acts are not the targets of such hate. Only Gays are.

Proving this issue is really just about bigotry against Gays.
 
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winston53660 said:
Yes I know and you are taking it to the the absurd. As if meth heads and gays have anything in common.
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Let it go winston... the concepts addressed critically were those of inclusion and exclusion... with me stating that inclusion is not an automatic positive...

suggestion....Please pursue your happiness elsewhere...
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
As just stated to another poster... you want to include all convicted child molesters as a group to become Boy Scouts members? We certainly should never exclude them, should we? Blah blah blah...
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No I don't."Homosexua"l does not not automatically mean pedophile,just as "Christian" does not automatically mean "bigot".
Though the jury seems to be out on you on this one.

Gaugingcatenate said:
This all should be rather self evident... but should you need additional assistance... maybe check with Sherlock Holmes in helping you ascertain some of the pertinent clues... as sangha assures me Sherlock is on your side of this argument....
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The only thing that seems to be self evident is your own bigotry,seeing how people here seem to be pointing right at it.
 
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Galatians 5:16-24
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16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[a] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
 
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1 Thessalonians 4:1-8

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Living to Please God

4 As for other matters, brothers and sisters, we instructed you how to live in order to please God, as in fact you are living. Now we ask you and urge you in the Lord Jesus to do this more and more. 2 For you know what instructions we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus.

3 It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; 4 that each of you should learn to control your own body[a] in a way that is holy and honorable, 5 not in passionate lust like the pagans, who do not know God; 6 and that in this matter no one should wrong or take advantage of a brother or sister. The Lord will punish all those who commit such sins, as we told you and warned you before. 7 For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. 8 Therefore, anyone who rejects this instruction does not reject a human being but God, the very God who gives you his Holy Spirit.
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Let it go winston... the concepts addressed critically were those of inclusion and exclusion... with me stating that inclusion is not an automatic positive...

suggestion....Please pursue your happiness elsewhere...
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You were trying to compare for inclusion a disease (addiction) to a non-diseased healthy populace (gays).
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Ha ha ha....
Hey, sorry, am ever so slightly busy at the mo, gonna have to sit this one out for a while....

But....thankfully you seem to know your stuff already ;), so why don't you give us all the definitive proof against it...
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I don't have to for these two reasons.
1-I already stated that none of us can accurately predict the future.
2-There is none.

Nice attempt at a dodge,though.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
So according to this being gay is a stepping stone to becoming a murderer who is filled with all other sins because of the gayness? I like how you do not bold wickedness, evil, greed, envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. Gossip slander, god haters, insolent, arrogant, boastful, senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.

You just highlight GAY and DEATH. *golf claps* Seems pretty heartless and ruthless of you if you ask me.
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I didn't ask your opinion, nor do I care what you think. I posted the verses, do with them what you wish.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Romans 1:26,27
 
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Look we can sit here all day and talk about what we FEEL ought to happen, but the gay rights groups have stuck a stick into a very big hornets' nest and should not be surprised at any backlash that comes their way from religious groups opposed to homosexual behavior with which the BSA has been traditionally associated.
 
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jwzg said:
Look we can sit here all day and talk about what we FEEL ought to happen, but the gay rights groups have stuck a stick into a very big hornets' nest and should not be surprised at any backlash that comes their way from religious groups opposed to homosexual behavior with which the BSA has been traditionally associated.
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There is not very many hornets left in that nest
 
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Top Cat said:
Clearly you haven't read the thread. I suggested that if anyone was "sinning" while in church, I have no problem giving them the boot.

As to adultery, if he didn't allow adulterers in, he'd lose 50% of his flock. Hell he might not get in himself.
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Then, why are you bashing the dude as a hypocrite?
 
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Dapper Andy said:
How would you characterize it then?
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I would characterize these churches banning Boy Scouts from their facilities because they don't want openly gay members in their church. So. What if there aren't any openly gay members in those particular groups? Doesn't matter. Boy Scouts of America will accept them. Ban them all.

Let's say members of one of these churches have a 16-year-old daughter who's an admitted open gay. She makes no apologies and has no plans to change. They go to the pastor for some help. Would it be right if the minister said, "Don't ever bring your daughter to church again."

If it's not the right thing to do, please explain why you think that way. And explain why it's different, and NOT wrong, for these churches to ban gay boy scouts from their basements.
 
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