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Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

Being homosexual isn't a sin.

Having homosexual sex is the sin.

That said, why would Christians want to ban children whether or not they commit such sin?
 
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Now that is some feat of circular logic...it is stupid because, as you said before, that it just is stupid...nicely proven in the most efficient liberal fashion... I am sure you must think the work is done here, huh?

What is stupid about it? And really, more to the point, what is illegal about it... why should they be so bullied from their beliefs by you folks? Since it is a legal religious belief, based on at least thousands of years of civilizational practice that have, obviously, been very very successful for Christians, they being the number 1 religion in the world with 2 billion adherents... what have your statist-religon type groups done lately?


It only seems circular to you because you keep asking the same questions, so you keep getting the same answers

As far as illegal, there's nothing illegal about it. And no one said there's anything illegal about it.

And no one is being bullied. That's just the religious version of being PC


So, right about now you should be giving in, four ..three...two...one....make the jump...

Oh that's right, you are unable...my bad...

The ole "I know you are, but what am I" argument.

I should have seen that one coming! :roll:
 
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And absolutely no one cared what some bigot pastor had to say.

Exactly. This guy in entitled to his own opinion. And with that said **** him. I hope all his reasonable flock leaves him so they can have a hateful bigot party in seclusion without attempting to indoctrinate decent humans.
 
Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

Being homosexual isn't a sin.

Having homosexual sex is the sin.

That said, why would Christians want to ban children whether or not they commit such sin?

What was it Jesus said when the pharisees accused him of dining with sinners? These fools cant even follow what they preach they just want to hate gay people. Im not saying being gay is wrong. Just that these guys cant even follow what they should be preaching. The "good" kids arent the ones who need preaching right?
 
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It only seems circular to you because you keep asking the same questions, so you keep getting the same answers

As far as illegal, there's nothing illegal about it. And no one said there's anything illegal about it.

And no one is being bullied. That's just the religious version of being PC




The ole "I know you are, but what am I" argument.

I should have seen that one coming! :roll:

As usual, you cannot back up what you say... let me know if you have anything new or provable.
 
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Exactly. This guy in entitled to his own opinion. And with that said **** him. I hope all his reasonable flock leaves him so they can have a hateful bigot party in seclusion without attempting to indoctrinate decent humans.

Bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group [as a racial or ethnic or religious group] with hatred and intolerance.

Soooo....

Got a mirror?
 
Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

Will the Church be calling for the teenagers who masturbate daily be expelled from the Boy Scouts next?

How about banning teenagers who feel jealousy or greed 3 times a week?
 
Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

Will the Church be calling for the teenagers who masturbate daily be expelled from the Boy Scouts next?

How about banning teenagers who feel jealousy or greed 3 times a week?

Or unpatriotic. Let's not forget the pledge...
 
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What was it Jesus said when the pharisees accused him of dining with sinners? These fools cant even follow what they preach they just want to hate gay people. Im not saying being gay is wrong. Just that these guys cant even follow what they should be preaching. The "good" kids arent the ones who need preaching right?

Where is the hate you presuppose of gay people by these religious groups? That what is considered a sin in that faith [ as well as the preponderance of other faiths ] should just be allowed, be accepted, celebrated? As explained in the post you responded to, the homosexual, the person, is not hated, it is the practice that is not at all countenanced... what do you not get about the concept?

That is just plain silliness you speak, make some sense please.
 
Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

Where is the hate you presuppose of gay people by these religious groups? That what is considered a sin in that faith [ as well as the preponderance of other faiths ] should just be allowed, be accepted, celebrated? As explained in the post you responded to, the homosexual, the person, is not hated, it is the practice that is not at all countenanced... what do you not get about the concept?

That is just plain silliness you speak, make some sense please.

What happened to hate the sin and not the sinner. These kids are being punished for something a group did, not the kids.
 
Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

Will the Church be calling for the teenagers who masturbate daily be expelled from the Boy Scouts next?

How about banning teenagers who feel jealousy or greed 3 times a week?

Hardly.

At the same time we are not putting that type of behavior on blast, broadcasting it as what we want everyone to just do, openly... again, and you didn't respond to this with my previous response to your post, but who needs to declare openly that they are masturbating or... their sexual preference. That is not at all, or should not be, what scouting is supposed to be all about...why do you folks have to make everything about people's genitalia and how, when they use it and who they use it with? Does everything have to be made so crude for everyone else so that you may enjoy it, and everybody else forced to acknowledge your penchant for just having to tell everybody?

We are not interested, scouting should be about building friendships, teamwork, building character, learning skills...leave them alone for god's sake...
 
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some people claim muslims have no tolerance for gays

l wonder if they see these threads
The difference being of course that the Christian in question wants to prevent them from meeting in his building and the extremist Islamists want to burn them and hang them from bridges. Oh...and another interesting difference...should the topic of extremist Muslims come up, those venting their bigotry, hatred, and intolerance towards the pastor will be the first to defend the extremist Muslims. Funny world, isnt it.
 
Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

What happened to hate the sin and not the sinner. These kids are being punished for something a group did, not the kids.

These churches are not allowing in the hated sin... there was no mention made of hating any of the Scouts, of whatever preference...can you point to any hate? And it was an organizational decision by the BSA, so if they, the young Scouts themselves, feel they are being improperly punished, maybe have the BS of America return to practices and guidelines more in compliance and more in line with the what is acceptable to the churches they might expect to have cooperative efforts with.

Problem solved.
 
Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

These churches are not allowing in the hated sin... there was no mention made of hating any of the Scouts, of whatever preference...can you point to any hate? And it was an organizational decision by the BSA, so if they, the young Scouts themselves, feel they are being improperly punished, maybe have the BS of America return to practices and guidelines more in compliance and more in line with the what is acceptable to the churches they might expect to have cooperative efforts with.

Problem solved.

Again the hatred of the church shows it's true colors. I agree it's time the Boy scouts left the archaic practices of the sky god church since the church is intolerant of the sinner instead of the sin.

The way things are going the church is going to eventually find hard times finding support. Good riddance.
 
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These churches are not allowing in the hated sin...

No, they're not letting the hated sinners in

43“You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’44“But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.46“For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?47“If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?48“Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

From Matthew 5
 
Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

So, if you are Christian, is everybody that is not a Christian called a gentile? I honestly thought that was a Jewish thing. So I'd like to learn something.

Anybody is welcomed to answer this question. Inquiring mind at work here....

he tax collectors do the same?47“If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?

No, they're not letting the hated sinners in



From Matthew 5
 
Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

So, if you are Christian, is everybody that is not a Christian called a gentile? I honestly thought that was a Jewish thing. So I'd like to learn something.

Anybody is welcomed to answer this question. Inquiring mind at work here....

Gentile is of Latin derivation. The Jewish (ie Yiddish) term for non-Jews is "goyim" which is often used in a derogatory fashion. Goyim is somehow related to the word gentile. At least, that is my understanding of it.
 
Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

Just wondering how intellectually honest you are about people who disagree with you.

I'm fine with anyone disagreeing so long as they have a logical, rational, evidence-based reason to do so. When it's morons talking to an imaginary friend in the sky as their only explanation for why they hate others, that's none of the above.
 
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Hardly.

At the same time we are not putting that type of behavior on blast, broadcasting it as what we want everyone to just do, openly... again, and you didn't respond to this with my previous response to your post, but who needs to declare openly that they are masturbating or... their sexual preference. That is not at all, or should not be, what scouting is supposed to be all about...why do you folks have to make everything about people's genitalia and how, when they use it and who they use it with? Does everything have to be made so crude for everyone else so that you may enjoy it, and everybody else forced to acknowledge your penchant for just having to tell everybody?

We are not interested, scouting should be about building friendships, teamwork, building character, learning skills...leave them alone for god's sake...
Not everyone broadcasts it. Sometimes people just find out. I think boyscouts should have NOTHING to do with sexual preference one way or the other. And that making a rule allowing or disallowing gays is preposterous. But sometimes people will find out and to disallow someone after it is known is cold blooded even if you personally may think its wrong.
 
Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

So, if you are Christian, is everybody that is not a Christian called a gentile? I honestly thought that was a Jewish thing. So I'd like to learn something.

Anybody is welcomed to answer this question. Inquiring mind at work here....


he tax collectors do the same?47“If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?
From Matthew 5

Mathew was preaching to Christians of jewish descent.

Apostle Paul was the first to preach to gentiles.
 
Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

No, they're not letting the hated sinners in



From Matthew 5

Thats a beautiful thought, Jack. I recently came across that passage reading the bible on the crapper.
 
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Bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group [as a racial or ethnic or religious group] with hatred and intolerance.

Soooo....

Got a mirror?
I dont hate the guy and I tolerate him as proven by my previous posts. Try again plz? (I am disgusted but I don't hate "them")

You simply assume I hate.
 
Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

Where is the hate you presuppose of gay people by these religious groups? That what is considered a sin in that faith [ as well as the preponderance of other faiths ] should just be allowed, be accepted, celebrated? As explained in the post you responded to, the homosexual, the person, is not hated, it is the practice that is not at all countenanced... what do you not get about the concept?

That is just plain silliness you speak, make some sense please.
If they are saying "Get out of my church!".... I guess they love them? Or do you cast your enemies to oblivion and beyond to never see them again? Just because I said I hope the bigots stay secluded doesn't mean I hate them. Im not the one enforcing the rules. I just hope it happens to end up that way without me interfering at all. This isnt my battle except for the part where I argue on the internet in this case.
 
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There ya go. Its all about what YOU want. Thats what drives this train.

The purpose of the cookie baking club isn't to raise ethical and moral individuals, so it's a poor analogy.

If the church thought it immoral to consume pork, and the cookie baking club suddenly proclaimed that it was going to include members who bake with lard - it would probably suffer the same fate. However, that same Church wouldn't refuse the Boy Scouts on those same grounds (that they don't ban cookie bakers who use lard). Your stance on embracing homosexuality doesn't speak to how you should make cookies, it does speak to how you prepare kids to make ethical and moral choices: some people believe that embracing homosexuality is immoral.

No, it's that he's picked what he thinks is a worse sin, then discriminated on it. (Which he can do, but it doesn't line up with the bible.)

So let's get this straight:

- The boy scouts are a sinful organization because they now allow sinners. (homosexuals)
- There are no gradients of sin. All sin is equal in the eyes of god.
- We are all sinners.
- Churches allow humans into their church, which because they're human, are also sinners.

Therefore, this church is doing the EXACT SAME THING the boyscouts are doing. They're allowing sinners into their congregation (that's the point of a church!)

You don't see the hypocrasy in this? So the boyscouts previously let those guilty of gluttony, lust, envy, and all the other sins, and that was ok, but as soon as they let homosexuals in, that's a no-no because that sin is worse?

Show me in the bible where it says homosexuality is a worse sin than the others.
 
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No, it's that he's picked what he thinks is a worse sin, then discriminated on it. (Which he can do, but it doesn't line up with the bible.)

So let's get this straight:

- The boy scouts are a sinful organization because they now allow sinners. (homosexuals)
- There are no gradients of sin. All sin is equal in the eyes of god.
- We are all sinners.
- Churches allow humans into their church, which because they're human, are also sinners.

Therefore, this church is doing the EXACT SAME THING the boyscouts are doing. They're allowing sinners into their congregation (that's the point of a church!)

You don't see the hypocrasy in this? So the boyscouts previously let those guilty of gluttony, lust, envy, and all the other sins, and that was ok, but as soon as they let homosexuals in, that's a no-no because that sin is worse?

Show me in the bible where it says homosexuality is a worse sin than the others.
I wish I could like this a thousand times.
 
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