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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So you autmotacically equate all those things happening in the early 20th Centrury because of homosexuality? So all of a sudden you are worried about boys being used as "playthings" because the scouts have allowed gay boys into the scouts?

    Homophobia is the IRRATIONAL fear of homosexuality and/or persons that are homosexual. I'd say you are definitely showing signs of that if you truly believe that. Many people are so ignorant to what it means to be a homosexual. I think you need some learning in that department if you believe what you say.
    I would also include peak oil

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Gay people are everywhere and in every organization. Does this pastor want to exclude them all, and just how will he accomplish that?
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Unsupervised teens and young people will fool around and/or have sex, often some of it non-consensual (molestation/rape). As with prison, that doesn't mean that the participants are gay or that gays are more likely to be rapists. Most child molesters were considered straight until they were caught. The problem is caused by bad supervision, not gays. All men, gay or straight, should be considered potentially abusive, which is why there should be more than one adult along for extended periods away from the view of others,such as camping trips.
    True, funny story. My very first sexual encounter was at a church. We were going to collect donation cuz we were poor. The Pastor and my mom went off somewhere and his daughter led me to the church bathrooms. We were maybe 5-7. She then stripped me nude and we had mock sex.

    I never, ever, ever had anything even close to a sexual experience in boyscouts.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You seem to think there's only two sides in this matter. I find that amusing.
    Exactly. Proves my point, you're still arguing something unarguable [least not with an attempt at genuinely winning ]. Always arguing the wrong, or at least an unwinnable, side, why? Enjoy being underdog?

    Doesn't have to matter which side you may choose. My positionís beauty is, it applies to every side, maybe even fulfilling the liberal wet dream, being near completely equal. To all. Iíll say it for you, hard to find any real fault Ö well,... for those being honest, logical, sensible, reasonable.

    Others needn't apply, anyhow..well, unless being too terribly cleverÖ Thatís worthwhile, at minimum entertaining.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I would also include peak oil
    Too funny. Jumping in here a little late maybe, not having read all that came before, would just add mention that the homosexual agenda community was just one of the myriad increasingly more substantial players in the panoply of liberal-values client groups. Basically bundles of chaos-creating-straws, heaped thick already, now weighing heavily on this camel’s near breaking back.

    Need to toss some of that " big load".

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So you autmotacically equate all those things happening in the early 20th Centrury because of homosexuality? So all of a sudden you are worried about boys being used as "playthings" because the scouts have allowed gay boys into the scouts?

    Homophobia is the IRRATIONAL fear of homosexuality and/or persons that are homosexual. I'd say you are definitely showing signs of that if you truly believe that. Many people are so ignorant to what it means to be a homosexual. I think you need some learning in that department if you believe what you say.
    I do not think Oftencold was necessarily doing that at all. I think perhaps you might be a bit oversensitive ... I can only speak for myself in saying that I would be just as concerned if Scout Masters on the Boys side were going to take similar aged female scouts out to camp for a couple of days. Putting convenience into play, where there is often already temptation, might be like leaving your car doors unlocked, mightn't it? You can do it, but is it the prudent move?

    And I will forward the notion that there should also maybe be a classification of a homosexual's phobia of homophobia... what might that be, a kind of hypochondrial-homohomophobia maybe? Who knows, but you seem to be showing the symptoms.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Exactly. Proves my point, you're still arguing something unarguable [least not with an attempt at genuinely winning ]. Always arguing the wrong, or at least an unwinnable, side, why? Enjoy being underdog?

    Doesn't have to matter which side you may choose. My position’s beauty is, it applies to every side, maybe even fulfilling the liberal wet dream, being near completely equal. To all. I’ll say it for you, hard to find any real fault … well,... for those being honest, logical, sensible, reasonable.

    Others needn't apply, anyhow..well, unless being too terribly clever… That’s worthwhile, at minimum entertaining.
    I asked you a question. The idea that asking a question is the same as making an argument is something I find amusing.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Tolerance is not a virtue of Christianity.

    I Cor. 5

    1It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles, that someone has his father’s wife.2You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst.

    3For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present.4In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus,5I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

    6Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough?7Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed.8Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

    9I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people;10I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world.11But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one.12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?13But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.


    In other words, one who claims to be a Christian and practices intentional rebellion is not to be accepted.

    Certainly if an organization promotes beliefs contrary to those of the church in whose building that organization wishes to meet, then the church maintains the right to deny the organization its use. Whether or not the majority of people think that is bigoted, mean-spirited or (place your favorite progressive pejorative here), that right, as guaranteed by the USC, is not to be infringed.



    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I've always associated Christianity with tolerance. Side note: I went to what I thought was one of the church's Facebook Pages and posted a polite protest to what they'd done. Within an hour or so, I had a response from the minister of that church who said something to the effect of, "Our church hasn't taken such a position on that matter. Although we think that homosexual is committing the same degree of six that a murderer or rapist is committing, we welcome sinners in our church. We don't turn sinners away."

    As it turned out, there are two churches by the exact same name -- one in Alabama -- and the one I contacted in Virginia. Embarrassing.

    However, that one line? "We don't turn sinners away - we welcome them in our church," that's how I picture Christianity. It's good to know that for the other gazzillion churches out there, it seems only two (that we know of) have taken the position you favor.

    As to you and your child, hopefully you will become more tolerant and enlightened if and when you have to make the decision not to allow your son to participate as a youngster in scouting outside your direct observation. We cannot, and should not, raise our children in bubbles.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I asked you a question. The idea that asking a question is the same as making an argument is something I find amusing.
    Cool.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by jwzg View Post
    Tolerance is not a virtue of Christianity.

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    No, it is not, and where people get this idea in the modern age is beyond me.

    Tolerance, as in "anything goes and anything is ok", I would add.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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