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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What.a.jerk.
    How so? His religion is stringently opposed to homosexual practices. It seems to me that he is simply doing what would be expected of him. And I should add, I would no longer allow a child in my care to participate in Scot activities out of my direct observation.

    Have you ever read about life at British boarding schools in the early 20th Century? Where homosexual activity is tolerated, or worse ignored by adults who choose not to believe that such things are possible, small, submissive boys are used as playthings. Each step that ostensibly child centered organizations which participate in activities not closely and constantly monitored by the parents take towards this sort of tolerance will inevitably lead to such occurrences.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So, once again, you have no answers, but insist that you're right
    As we, that follow such things, are all well aware regarding our past discussions---wrong, again.

    With the current, you folks on that side have to be dragged kicking and screaming into understanding, or perhaps accepting, that your side has no proof either, so its just a simple belief system like everybody else's. That it requires this much effort just to get that side past this almost immovable inertia, which for some reason is considered still a superior stance somehow... well, they still put down horses for way less ...

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Incorrect. I don't claim to know the origins of life or the universe and I don't expect the answers will come in my lifetime. I am only familiar with the consensus theories of the scientists who research these topics. It is only a theory or guess, but it is an educated guess based on the empirical, verifiable evidence currently available. In comparison, religionists simply accpt the beliefs of other people who provide no evidence that their opinions are based on facts.
    Look, they are all educated guesses in some group's mind. You can say yours are more "educated" [ and actually, some smart scientists do not leave out the the "god factor", but most do...] but it boils to this: if one does not know, yet excludes something that is far more than possibly true, only including that which is almost impossibly true [as outline in prior discussions ]...well, you can attempt to persuade us as to how "educated" these many times far far out there guess just might, if the right circumstances were to occur... but it does not really matter...

    Those who believe in science gaining such answers, and who are presently content with the answers that scientists currently cannot prove but do, anyway, further assert is right science, well...

    Sorry to have to be the bearer of bad news...

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    How so? His religion is stringently opposed to homosexual practices. It seems to me that he is simply doing what would be expected of him. And I should add, I would no longer allow a child in my care to participate in Scot activities out of my direct observation.

    Have you ever read about life at British boarding schools in the early 20th Century? Where homosexual activity is tolerated, or worse ignored by adults who choose not to believe that such things are possible, small, submissive boys are used as playthings. Each step that ostensibly child centered organizations which participate in activities not closely and constantly monitored by the parents take towards this sort of tolerance will inevitably lead to such occurrences.
    I've always associated Christianity with tolerance. Side note: I went to what I thought was one of the church's Facebook Pages and posted a polite protest to what they'd done. Within an hour or so, I had a response from the minister of that church who said something to the effect of, "Our church hasn't taken such a position on that matter. Although we think that homosexual is committing the same degree of six that a murderer or rapist is committing, we welcome sinners in our church. We don't turn sinners away."

    As it turned out, there are two churches by the exact same name -- one in Alabama -- and the one I contacted in Virginia. Embarrassing.

    However, that one line? "We don't turn sinners away - we welcome them in our church," that's how I picture Christianity. It's good to know that for the other gazzillion churches out there, it seems only two (that we know of) have taken the position you favor.

    As to you and your child, hopefully you will become more tolerant and enlightened if and when you have to make the decision not to allow your son to participate as a youngster in scouting outside your direct observation. We cannot, and should not, raise our children in bubbles.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I've always associated Christianity with tolerance. Side note: I went to what I thought was one of the church's Facebook Pages and posted a polite protest to what they'd done. Within an hour or so, I had a response from the minister of that church who said something to the effect of, "Our church hasn't taken such a position on that matter. Although we think that homosexual is committing the same degree of six that a murderer or rapist is committing, we welcome sinners in our church. We don't turn sinners away."

    As it turned out, there are two churches by the exact same name -- one in Alabama -- and the one I contacted in Virginia. Embarrassing.

    However, that one line? "We don't turn sinners away - we welcome them in our church," that's how I picture Christianity. It's good to know that for the other gazzillion churches out there, it seems only two (that we know of) have taken the position you favor.

    As to you and your child, hopefully you will become more tolerant and enlightened if and when you have to make the decision not to allow your son to participate as a youngster in scouting outside your direct observation. We cannot, and should not, raise our children in bubbles.
    I have no children, sadly. But I have been associated with emergency medicine for many years. Based on those experiences alone, I think that this is a decision that people will rue. Or the Boy Scouts will have to give up the activities with which they are usually associated and become just another day care style urban activity.

    Long before I consider the religious aspects, I already see the folly in this. I wasn't kidding about the stories that came out of those British boarding schools.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    How so? His religion is stringently opposed to homosexual practices. It seems to me that he is simply doing what would be expected of him. And I should add, I would no longer allow a child in my care to participate in Scot activities out of my direct observation.

    Have you ever read about life at British boarding schools in the early 20th Century? Where homosexual activity is tolerated, or worse ignored by adults who choose not to believe that such things are possible, small, submissive boys are used as playthings. Each step that ostensibly child centered organizations which participate in activities not closely and constantly monitored by the parents take towards this sort of tolerance will inevitably lead to such occurrences.
    So you autmotacically equate all those things happening in the early 20th Centrury because of homosexuality? So all of a sudden you are worried about boys being used as "playthings" because the scouts have allowed gay boys into the scouts?

    Homophobia is the IRRATIONAL fear of homosexuality and/or persons that are homosexual. I'd say you are definitely showing signs of that if you truly believe that. Many people are so ignorant to what it means to be a homosexual. I think you need some learning in that department if you believe what you say.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    That's just it. The kids don't say they are dating at that age. That is your word.
    Some of them are using that word some of them aren't. It's not really the point what word they are using the point is they are showing an interest.

    A nine year old wrote this book in third grade on dating advice:
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I wasn't kidding about the stories that came out of those British boarding schools.
    Here's a hint, trying to equate pedophila and homosexuality is a fallacy.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    As we, that follow such things, are all well aware regarding our past discussions---wrong, again.

    With the current, you folks on that side have to be dragged kicking and screaming into understanding, or perhaps accepting, that your side has no proof either, so its just a simple belief system like everybody else's. That it requires this much effort just to get that side past this almost immovable inertia, which for some reason is considered still a superior stance somehow... well, they still put down horses for way less ...
    You seem to think there's only two sides in this matter. I find that amusing.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    ....Have you ever read about life at British boarding schools in the early 20th Century? Where homosexual activity is tolerated, or worse ignored by adults who choose not to believe that such things are possible, small, submissive boys are used as playthings. Each step that ostensibly child centered organizations which participate in activities not closely and constantly monitored by the parents take towards this sort of tolerance will inevitably lead to such occurrences.
    Unsupervised teens and young people will fool around and/or have sex, often some of it non-consensual (molestation/rape). As with prison, that doesn't mean that the participants are gay or that gays are more likely to be rapists. Most child molesters were considered straight until they were caught. The problem is caused by bad supervision, not gays. All men, gay or straight, should be considered potentially abusive, which is why there should be more than one adult along for extended periods away from the view of others,such as camping trips.

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