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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Oh sure there are lots of "scientists" coming up with new theories all the time, just like religions do/have done. So we are in agreement that both are just belief systems.

    Now that is progress.
    Scientists test their theories and subject them to peer review before they are accepted as fact. The theories are usually based on and consistent with previously established knowledge. When new facts emerge, the theories change. Religionists generally hold onto their beliefs even when the evidence suggests that they are wrong.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Oh sure there are lots of "scientists" coming up with new theories all the time, just like religions do/have done. So we are in agreement that both are just belief systems.

    Now that is progress.
    Its pretty ignorant to compare religion to science especially since religion boasts that it is based on FAITH and not evidence.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

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    Scientists test their theories and subject them to peer review before they are accepted as fact. The theories are usually based on and consistent with previously established knowledge. When new facts emerge, the theories change. Religionists generally hold onto their beliefs even when the evidence suggests that they are wrong.
    Sounds all nicely packaged, there... except there are no tests to run on certain things that will prove anything about our origins... so the "science" can keep changing, on the opposite end the religions can keep staying the same, the results will turn out the same, neither will know until we all know. If it is god, you will have to concede, if it can someday be proven there is no god, my side will have to concede... until that time the haughty belief that your "belief" is in any way superior based on fact and logic, well, we already do know that is just a deep deep chuckle.

    So, thanks for the laugh.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    Its pretty ignorant to compare religion to science especially since religion boasts that it is based on FAITH and not evidence.
    Well, while I would agree that there really is no comparison, science to religion, on the origins question [ spoiler alert.......religion wins that one hands down ], the fact of the matter is, if you do not know but you still believe, and what you believe is certainly not based on any science, in other words, if you believe without basis, that is faith... so you have faith in science, but the science has no basis in science on the origins question... you really cannot get around that Chinese Wall, being no convenient worm holes to squirm into, to wiggle out of it, either.

    Gives the top nod to religion, as they accept what they are doing as faith, while you folks promulgate your views with the imprimatur of science, as if it were proven or near proven... that is just disingenuous, which means the awareness when not telling the truth, but saying it as if it were true anyhow.

    Ignorance is something completely different. Sounds like you have no idea of what you are talking about, and that would be a pretty significant leap in the direction of irony.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Well, while I would agree that there really is no comparison, science to religion, on the origins question [ spoiler alert.......religion wins that one hands down ], the fact of the matter is, if you do not know but you still believe, and what you believe is certainly not based on any science, in other words, if you believe without basis, that is faith... so you have faith in science, but the science has no basis in science on the origins question... you really cannot get around that Chinese Wall, being no convenient worm holes to squirm into, to wiggle out of it, either.

    Gives the top nod to religion, as they accept what they are doing as faith, while you folks promulgate your views with the imprimatur of science, as if it were proven or near proven... that is just disingenuous, which means the awareness when not telling the truth, but saying it as if it were true anyhow.

    Ignorance is something completely different. Sounds like you have no idea of what you are talking about, and that would be a pretty significant leap in the direction of irony.
    Incorrect. I don't claim to know the origins of life or the universe and I don't expect the answers will come in my lifetime. I am only familiar with the consensus theories of the scientists who research these topics. It is only a theory or guess, but it is an educated guess based on the empirical, verifiable evidence currently available. In comparison, religionists simply accpt the beliefs of other people who provide no evidence that their opinions are based on facts.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Scientists test their theories and subject them to peer review before they are accepted as fact. The theories are usually based on and consistent with previously established knowledge. When new facts emerge, the theories change. Religionists generally hold onto their beliefs even when the evidence suggests that they are wrong.
    He is arguing from a conscious or subconscious agnostic point of view.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Thanks... for not answering my questions, not possible, no provable answers exist...would have tried to clobber me with answers if in your possession... instead we have glaring, blinking neon absences, post after post laying out the dilemma for your side. For both sides, actually. However, mine understands that ours are beliefs, beliefs about what is a faith story , we admit it. So...

    You asked me the correct reciprocal questions, though, which I also cannot answer...neither side can...

    ...proving my point precisely, yet better than me just explaining it alone, so thanks. Neither side has a corner on the answers to those...this being the impasse, the logjam, quandary leading ultimately to our current quagmire.



    Now, this was either a eureka!! moment, with many lights, old news photog-like, exploding flash bulbs going off all over, bringing with them cascading insights...or was it more of the just ho-hummishness, a yeah yeah... ---'cause you already knew, just doing the obligatory hide job, best you could, long as you could?

    Not that we'll ever get answers to those, either...

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

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    That's just it. The kids don't say they are dating at that age. That is your word.
    They don't say they're emoting either, but it's one of the things they do
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

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    .... ok man.... You can argue you implied nothing but its pretty obvious.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

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    Christianity isn't the issue. Not wanting little boys exposed to homosexuals in situations where that might damage them is.
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