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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    you and others miss the point.

    YOUR contention is it's "wrong" to disallow gays, and Christians say it's "wrong" to disallow our religious beliefs.

    You can say, gays should be served in public restaurants, but a church building is NOT a public building.
    It was purchased, maybe built, certainly maintained, by the congregation. it's PRIVATE property, and beyond you having ANY say in it's use.
    Except churches are special...............They don't pay taxes...................Why is that, exactly ?............I mean, by their own admission, they feel free to hate some of the taxpayers who are paving the roads to them.....................

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Except churches are special...............They don't pay taxes...................Why is that, exactly ?............I mean, by their own admission, they feel free to hate some of the taxpayers who are paving the roads to them.....................
    Churches are exempt from government control.
    That means not having to pay tribute (tax).

    But the members of the church ARE taxed as private citizens.
    Property tax, income tax, ect.

    Only the church isn't taxed.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    Churches are exempt from government control.
    That means not having to pay tribute (tax).
    We talking about paving the roads to the churches that their parishioners use every Sunday, not some cockamaney story about how the church is being threatened by not being free to torture and murder at will, like it used to do.......................

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    We talking about paving the roads to the churches that their parishioners use every Sunday, not some cockamaney story about how the church is being threatened by not being free to torture and murder at will, like it used to do.......................
    The first amendment protecting freedom of religion, was intended to prevent folks with your mindset, from using government to control religions.
    Deal with it.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Bringing it down to the practical level, science should culminate in the practical... correct if in error, we classify a thing as to whether it belongs to one of three basic categories, animal, mineral or plant. Subtract animal and plant as being living ....that leaves exactly what (?) to somehow make the decisions? Pretty big decision, too, deciding to become a living thing.

    Rocks, of the three, right? Again, certainly not plants/animals.

    Granting there were plenty of opportunities for all this to occur, what's the actual science behind your theories? Both how, more importantly why? The science behind the why?

    Another how. How did these minerals-come-alive figure out how to use solar energy so seamlessly, efficiently? Life needs energy, rocks don't even need to move, except maybe by gravity...why would it reproduce, what created the mechanism to do so, and again, why would it? Too much complexity of purpose, too rudimentary stage figuring it all out even, seems the best we can do now is only mimic nature's best examples.

    All just came about, not only this big big life thing---from non life, but funny, everything, just coincidentally, was already magically in place, already here waiting to sustain that life once it decided to come into being somehow...because why? Just in that astronomical chance that life might come along, that had never come along before? What's the science behind that happening? And why? This wisdom to do this came from... where? Perhaps from "their" forefather minerals, grandfather rocks, handed that down [ way before the concept of hands ] to these new single celled whatevers that we surmise somehow occurred, on their own... .

    Every aspect of it becomes just more and more and more absurd once you start putting it under the microscope...laughable at times. Reminds me of the cartoon of a wizened caricature, chubby Einstein in three peice suit type, proudly displaying a massive equation filling up one of those old room-long blackboards with marks, white chalk symbols covering every inch of it ... with one slight interruption... at the end of the equation... where it says in parenthesis ( and then a miracle happened) then the equals sign = Life.

    So, my skepticism of your, if you actually believe in all that, deciding whether or not my "sky guy" or "sky gal" ...or whatever I may deduce to be our creator, this brain behind this whole shebang... is the lesser, well, I obviously have no faith in your perception proving itself to be the right one, so, we perceive things differently, I accept that you believe yours, yet certainly do not find yours to be any superior to mine as regards rigor of rationale. If I did, I would switch, weighing the best for society aspect in the baand other liquids etc. other sand other liquids etc. orts of lance of that decision as well.
    No deciding is necessary, it just happened because the conditions were right. Animal-vegetable-mineral is not all there is. There are many elements besides minerals-a planet may have an atmosphere with gases like oxygen, and liquids such as water and all sorts of other elements and compounds. Thinking rocks are not required.

    The energy mostly comes from the nearby star (sun). It could be in a wide range of forms-lightning, wind, tides etc.

    Asking "why?" erroneously assumes that there needs to be a thoughtful reason for everything. The answer to why is that because the conditions were right, so it happened. It is what happens under those exact circumstances.

    Many of your questions are based on assumptions that are not relevant or valid.

    You are correct that the whole thing is improbable because of all the factors that need to be just right at the same time, but improbable is not the same as impossible. Remember that there was a huge amount of time for this to happen and and a huge number of places with different conditions. We now know that there are many planets without life. It may be that this is the only planet where it all came together for life to happen.

    Any supernatural theory of life raises a huge number of questions that no one can answer. Who created the god? Who created the thing that created the god? Who created the very first god-maker?
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    The first amendment protecting freedom of religion, was intended to prevent folks with your mindset, from using government to control religions.
    Deal with it.
    There are limitations on freedom of religion: For instance we do not allow human sacrifice, which is a religious ritual. Monotheists just get in a tizzy when they too are labeled barbaric.............................

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    The first amendment protecting freedom of religion, was intended to prevent folks with your mindset, from using government to control religions.
    Deal with it.
    The Constitution does not mandate tax exemptions for the Church.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The Constitution does not mandate tax exemptions for the Church.
    Nor did it mandate a tax on income originally. The exemption was founded on the first amendment...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    There are limitations on freedom of religion: For instance we do not allow human sacrifice, which is a religious ritual. Monotheists just get in a tizzy when they too are labeled barbaric.............................
    And YOU want economic sanctions against churches YOU deem politically incorrect.
    It certainly SEEMS you wish you could cancel their tax exempt status as a means to force them to your "higher moral standard". It's NOT!
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Nor did it mandate a tax on income originally. The exemption was founded on the first amendment...
    It is a conditional exemption. They have to give some of their right to freedom of speech.

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