Is society was made of coral our world would be floral.
If you wanted government to imprison or kill the person who let the cliff-hanger drop, or you did it yourself, that would be in this context a violation of this libertarian ideal. If you just called them a coward and pathetic and you hated them for the rest of your life, where would that violate their individual rights?
I now realize why you went off on this tangent: because you desperately wanted to avoid rebutting my initial statements, and wanted to go on some bizarre political personal attacks.
I asked for sources, you had none, and I'm done being distracted from the topic. Goodbye.
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Rocks, of the three, right? Again, certainly not plants/animals.
Granting there were plenty of opportunities for all this to occur, what's the actual science behind your theories? Both how, more importantly why? The science behind the why?
Another how. How did these minerals-come-alive figure out how to use solar energy so seamlessly, efficiently? Life needs energy, rocks don't even need to move, except maybe by gravity...why would it reproduce, what created the mechanism to do so, and again, why would it? Too much complexity of purpose, too rudimentary stage figuring it all out even, seems the best we can do now is only mimic nature's best examples.
All just came about, not only this big big life thing---from non life, but funny, everything, just coincidentally, was already magically in place, already here waiting to sustain that life once it decided to come into being somehow...because why? Just in that astronomical chance that life might come along, that had never come along before? What's the science behind that happening? And why? This wisdom to do this came from... where? Perhaps from "their" forefather minerals, grandfather rocks, handed that down [ way before the concept of hands ] to these new single celled whatevers that we surmise somehow occurred, on their own... .
Every aspect of it becomes just more and more and more absurd once you start putting it under the microscope...laughable at times. Reminds me of the cartoon of a wizened caricature, chubby Einstein in three peice suit type, proudly displaying a massive equation filling up one of those old room-long blackboards with marks, white chalk symbols covering every inch of it ... with one slight interruption... at the end of the equation... where it says in parenthesis ( and then a miracle happened) then the equals sign = Life.
So, my skepticism of your, if you actually believe in all that, deciding whether or not my "sky guy" or "sky gal" ...or whatever I may deduce to be our creator, this brain behind this whole shebang... is the lesser, well, I obviously have no faith in your perception proving itself to be the right one, so, we perceive things differently, I accept that you believe yours, yet certainly do not find yours to be any superior to mine as regards rigor of rationale. If I did, I would switch, weighing the best for society aspect in the balance of that decision as well.
Origins. What I am talking about is that which was before, when there was what, nothing, absolutely not a thing.
How did existence begin, what started it? In the utter absence of that knowledge... we do know there was and is space and rocks/suns/planets that existed, still exist.... We do know: There was space... and it was littered with many rocks without life. So, unless it was space becoming alive, then it must have been those darn rocks so deciding to live. Right?
And we have not recreated life just creating itself all by itself in the lab, right? [ starting to get it now?]
In no way did I ever deny that change over time occurs, that things adapt. That, indeed, is observable. Origins coming out of a primordial soup somehow, now that is different... and silly. Even you scoff at it when I take it back to its origins, the rocks.
Oh, suggestion: ditch the alerts to me as to any troublesomenesses that might occur with you... give me your arguments, make them rational and persuasive, all that other = needless distracting fluff.
Talking origins here, my man... knock knock...not change over time, as indicated, everyone believes in that, that is provable...
You folks really go off the rails when getting into your scientific fantasies, those almost religious pronouncements by the titans of science ...fantasies masked as theories about what created the universe, "scientifically". No observable or testable nature to these theories, none, so they are only of the plain and ordinary "created" beliefs variety, just like everyone else's... you cannot, just by will, force it to be scientific... what you do have, mainly, is a bunch of scientists each having convinced each other of their own theory's plausible probability, at least to them.
Again, origins origins... you are trying to argue change over time instead of arguing the evolutionary origins... how did this all come about, what created all this, and why? Scientifically? Just what is the science behind any of that. The scientific how and the scientific why?
As regards why I am on debate now, mainly to learn, to force myself to do research into areas I am interested in, to perhaps convince others of the better validity of my viewpoints and ...
Well, I guess you could include as one of my minor aims at this debate website is to feed the snarky their daily allotment of crow...sure hope you got your good choppers in...
Is society was made of coral our world would be floral.
YOUR contention is it's "wrong" to disallow gays, and Christians say it's "wrong" to disallow our religious beliefs.
You can say, gays should be served in public restaurants, but a church building is NOT a public building.
It was purchased, maybe built, certainly maintained, by the congregation. it's PRIVATE property, and beyond you having ANY say in it's use.
If you live long enough, you will live in a foreign country, because the past is foreign to the present. We lived differently then. The only constant is change!