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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Sorry, it is you that don't understand libertarianism. You might want to read some books on it so that you can qualify your views appropriately.


    Your moral philosophy is not a libertarian one.

    You believe that (certain) others are deserving of respect and kindness. That is to say, others are obligated to act in a certain manner that conforms to your personal views or they are chided and even 'hated' as racists, sexists, terrible Christians, and (like you) bigoted - "utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own."


    I like to let my arguments stand for themselves. For the same reason, I try not to talk about my occupation or education. There's often little value in a "trust me, I'm a ______" argument.
    So you're sticking with the "libertarians can't think people are assholes" argument, but refusing to provide any kind of reference or source stating that's true? Really?

    I tell you what, if you can provide ONE quote from a libertarian philosopher or book that states that I am not allowed to hold negative opinions of someone, I will make a thread publically apologizing to you. Sounds like a great deal right? Now, just provide one source.

    Pathetic. You can't rebut my statements so you try to make **** up, then refuse to provide sources.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Looks like Pastor Walkup has had his 3.7 minutes of fame. Hopefully he will now sink back into well-earned obscurity.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Where did you live that 10 year olds were dating?
    I had crushes on girls when I was in kindergarden

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I had crushes on girls when I was in kindergarden
    That is far from dating.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    That is far from dating.
    Huh/ where the heck do you think dating starts. And there were girls I would hold hands with and give special attention.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    i know, right? .
    Had you stopped there, you'd have made sense. At least you're predictable.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Had you stopped there, you'd have made sense. At least you're predictable.
    Predictable...like you only using part of a quote for your response? Sorta like those despicable scumbags you hate so much that do the same thing with scriptures...you know...when religion is convenient?

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Huh/ where the heck do you think dating starts. And there were girls I would hold hands with and give special attention.
    Hoding hands on the playground is not a date and in kindergarten I was still receiving cootie shots. Calling it dating is indicative of the movement we've made in the sexualization of children to younger ages.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Predictable...like you only using part of a quote for your response? Sorta like those despicable scumbags you hate so much that do the same thing with scriptures...you know...when religion is convenient?
    Nice try. But you came up short. Very short.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So you're sticking with the "libertarians can't think people are assholes" argument, but refusing to provide any kind of reference or source stating that's true? Really?

    I tell you what, if you can provide ONE quote from a libertarian philosopher or book that states that I am not allowed to hold negative opinions of someone, I will make a thread publically apologizing to you. Sounds like a great deal right? Now, just provide one source.

    Pathetic. You can't rebut my statements so you try to make **** up, then refuse to provide sources.
    Why would a libertarian say you're not allowed to hold negative opinions of others? That person (like you) would not have a libertarian moral outlook.

    Central to the libertarian philosophy is the idea of negative rights - e.g. your rights to life, liberty and property. These are not rights granted to you by others, but rights that can only be taken away. Libertarians don't recognize so-called positive rights - "the right to healthcare, the right to a living wage" - because they compel action and violate individual liberty.

    From a moral standpoint, a libertarian believes that people are ONLY morally obligated NOT to infringe on the rights of others. From a libertarian standpoint, it is immoral to push someone off of a cliff (you are depriving them of life). However, if they are hanging on the side, pleading for help - you are not morally obligated to provide assistance (though you may very well do so). That person put himself in danger and it would in fact be immoral to demand that you assist him (it infringes on your liberty).

    You seem to believe that this preacher has a moral duty to treat gay people as he would any other - in that a failure to perform that 'duty' justifies your condemnation. This is not a libertarian view. Whereas you believe in a minimalist government, at an individual level you do not subscribe to a minimalist moral theory. You do not believe in the "supremacy of individual rights and personal freedoms over and against any kind of authority" - instead subscribing to a non-governmental imposition of social norms upon those who would behave in a manner contrary to your wishes.

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