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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    Yet some people are having a cow when the officers of the religion no longer accept a chapter of the orginization, the BSA, in the church grounds for the purpose of promoting its agenda whic includes the acceptance of homosexuality which is against the precepts of the Church. Why not accept that the BSA cannot use the Church building any more?
    I really don't give a damn whether they do or not. If every church were to severe ties with BSA, I'm all for that. Less influence the church has in that case. All most of us are doing is condemning bigotry where it's found and pointing out the stupidity of the whole thing.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I remember people on DP cheering and exhibiting great enthusiasm as various entities closed their sites to the BSA when they had continued in their ban on openly-gay scouts and scoutmasters, expressing great joy at each curtailment of BSA access or activity and saying "serves them right!"


    Now, someone is cutting the BSA off for accepting homosexuals and everyone is down on them with harsh criticism.


    Action A and Action B are identical.... an org says "we can't support the BSA in their policy" and denies access. You cheer one and denigrate the other because the action is taken for opposite causes.


    So apparently... it's perfectly fine to "stand on principle"... but only when you agree with the principle being stood upon, right?
    Much as the fundies will support this exclusion of the BSA by the church but would not support excluding them when they discriminated against gays. It is entirely about picking a side that you believe is in the right, but hopefully be consistent. Don't support (or protest) discrimination against one group but not others, or obsess over a few biblical passages and ignore others on the same goddamn page.

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    RE: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

    This is along the lines of, "there was no holocaust". Welcome to the ignore list. #Bonzai is desparate

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    There was no Roman tyranny. That is just a fabrication of Christian propagandists. That "tyranny" involved, if you read between the lines, legalized abortion and gay people not being subject to the death penalty. If you're a "liberal" who buys into Christian spew, well, then you're really a conservative.........................
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    RE: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

    There are now 5 users on my ignore list for this type behavior. Two of them are participating in this thread. Guess who?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    AFTER you pointed out my error, mistaking he said OT when he actually said NT I immediately admitted that mistake and posted this:



    Which contained ONE OT reference, which you also caught.

    This seems to be a theme with you this trollish behavior.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    And yet...and yet you would have us believe that, basically, a rock decides it wants to be alive in the future, so it, somehow, figures that out and actually does this amazing feat that even these so intelligent, highly qualified and motivated "scienctist" creating all the most favorable circumstances, even they cannot achieve...

    And....wonder of wonders, this rock also somehow figures out how to create a completely new idea, DNA, to continue rocks becoming alive and striving to continue to live, providing for diversity, blah blah blah...and claim this to be true even though it cannot be proven true, or just as probably if not more probably is untrue... and then DEMAND that all the rest of us study this silliness as if it were absolutely true and also accept it... that is a little just a little dictatorial, would you not agree? At least our side asks you to voluntarily accept it, its not foisted upon us in the schools that, in effect, worship these scientific "pronouncements" as sacred of this small scientific elite and what they say, which is what they say must go...

    You talk about sad and childish, and add that dimension of totalitarianism...scary...
    Hrm... Well, rocks have been around for about 13 billion something years, and they haven't evolved, so I'm not quite sure where you're getting that from.

    The fact that you deny evolution is about as silly as denying gravity. Both are "theories", yet both are supported by an unbelievably high amount of evidence. Your hypothesis has been supported with 'lack' of evidence to the contrary. The fact that you even file your evidenceless beliefs with that of the scientific process is quite troubling.

    I also like the "scientists can't create evolution in the lab" argument. It truly shows how clueless you actually are on evolution. First, it has occured in the lab. One of the many cases was fruit flies over 32 generations developing a low tolerance to oxygen conditions that would kill any normal fruit fly. [source]. Out of the lab is where the real evidence is, we see species changing, adapting, and evolving all the time.

    Genetic variance is a concept even you can't deny. You and your sibling may be strikingly different. He may be tall, you short, he has blonde hair, you have brown hair, maybe you have some qualities that don't match your family at all. These variations play a role to your survivability. If you're living in the wild, your brother, being taller or faster, would likely have a higher chance of outliving you, making the chance that he gets to procreate and you don't higher. His children will likely be slightly taller than your children. Pan this out over hundreds of millions of years, millions of generations, and certain genetic mutations will propogate themselves.

    We've proven this happens over, and over, and over again with extreme attention to detail. Though considering your complete lack of knowledge on what evolution even is, I expect this explanation to be completely in vain, as you will likely cover your ears, begin shouting "no no no no" and shove your head back in your bible.

    So seeing as how you've made your views clear about evolution, you must believe both of the following:
    - God is the ultimate trickster. He placed an insurmountable amount of evidence and fossil records in order to trick us into believing the exact opposite of what he wanted us to think.
    - The earth and mankind was created 6,000 years ago in the garden of eden, therefore there can be no evolution.

    Considering those two viewpoints, I don't think any amount of evidence or logic I could possibly present could make you see the light.

    Quote Originally Posted by jwzg View Post
    There are now 5 users on my ignore list for this type behavior. Two of them are participating in this thread. Guess who?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jwzg View Post
    This is along the lines of, "there was no holocaust". Welcome to the ignore list. #Bonzai is desparate


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    I guess it's always easier to block someone rather than provide a thoughtful rebuttal of his hypothesis.

    Why exactly are you on a debate site right now?

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    RE: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

    RA, sorry, but if a fruit fly demonstrates greater O2 uptake or a family line of humans becomes taller over time, the DNA is still that of a fruit fly or a human, and it has not gained traits. It is simply expressing information that is already there. Where traits are gained, lost or mutated, there is no positive benefit. I'm not a strict creationist, per se, but what you speak of is really not evolution in the sense it is taught in schools.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Hrm... Well, rocks have been around for about 13 billion something years, and they haven't evolved, so I'm not quite sure where you're getting that from.
    They get it from the same place they get their silly creation stories - they make it up
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

    Quote Originally Posted by jwzg View Post
    RA, sorry, but if a fruit fly demonstrates greater O2 uptake or a family line of humans becomes taller over time, the DNA is still that of a fruit fly or a human, and it has not gained traits. It is simply expressing information that is already there. Where traits are gained, lost or mutated, there is no positive benefit. I'm not a strict creationist, per se, but what you speak of is really not evolution in the sense it is taught in schools.
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    Yes, when fruit flies start having DNA that no fruit fly has ever had before, it is still "fruit fly DNA"

    DNA is merely a series of four nucleotides. None of these sequences "belong" to any specific species, as demonstrated by scientists who have inserted DNA from one species of organism into another species.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
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    What.a.jerk.
    On the contrary, he was doing precisely what the Scriptures tell him to do.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    They get it from the same place they get their silly creation stories - they make it up
    Hm. Well, science teaches us that first there was literally nothing an then there was a giant explosion of light followed by the formation of mass, that the earth was covered with water for a time, before developing plant life, animal life, and finally human life; humans living in a natural state for a while before developing civilization.

    The bible teaches us that first there was literally nothing an then there was a giant explosion of light followed by the formation of mass, that the earth was covered with water for a time, before developing plant life, animal life, and finally human life; humans living in a natural state for a while before developing civilization.

    Compare that to other creation stories and see which one looks weirdly prescient to you.

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