You are questioning Christian doctrine and the issue, the OP, is not about you.Why would I want to believe that the vast majority of humanity (as "unbelievers") is going to spend eternity in endless torture?
The correct attitude of a Christian should be "Chief of Sinners though I be Christ is all and all in me." What do you use to claim moral superiority over evryone else?Why would I use 'faith' to claim that I am more moral than everyone else?
Other religions also have such people in them too, need I point out the many of the Islamists base their actions on a moral point of view? The same is with Hndu and their cast system with untouchables. The same with some of the secular humanistst who think they are more moral because they do not follow a religion and use reason which may involve faulty premises. Are you sure you are not using the grounds of moral superiority in this.I obviously have no more morality ("family values") or moral authority than anyone else on the Earth, except it seems, if I were a religious Christian.
The issue is and is the issue of the OP, that the Church has a right and a duty not to allow other orginizations that are counter to their message to use their facilities.Why would I publicly condemn and judge those who I believe to be 'morally unfit' like gays, sex workers, women who get abortions or even harmless idiots like those who cuss and swear?
Why do you demand for religious people to be quiet about their religous belief? What do you want Christians to say "Happy Solistice" or some other weak greeting? What do you care if someone prays in public? Just leave them alone. And as long as the crosses or the 10 Comandments are erected on private property what do you care? Also this issue is about what happens in the USA not other countries so that is a non-issue.Why would I demand to say "Merry Christmas", pray in public or erect crosses and the 10 Commandments; just so Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs and atheists can feel uncomfortable and excluded in their home countries?
How is public demonstration of faith disrespectful to minority faiths? And just because one is in government doesn't mean you give up the faith one cannot use the power of their position in government to impose it.Why would I want to complain that I am being persecuted for actively practicing my Christian religion in the public square and in government, whilst showing minority faiths absolute disrespect?
In Christiananity, Christians are not for this world but for the next and Christians DO donate both money and time to help needy people. That is called fruits of the faith.Why would I want to believe that praying, church attendance, tithing, God's Grace or repentance have any substantial benefit in this world; when that time spent in church could be spent actually helping needy people?
So they should not pray in public and should not have a building to pray in either. No doubt you would complain if they had too many at any one house in a prayer meetiing also. Also while I can consider pators having comfortable lives they do not live posh ones. I do not consider Carnival Preachers to be true to the faith so they do not count.Or all that money given to churches and pastors/preachers living comfortable, posh lives in first-world countries could instead be given to the poor and the unfortunate?
It is basic Christian doctraine you can chosee not to belive it. Also BTW Toist also an analogous concept that is smilar to original sin in its religious beliefs.Why would I ever want to believe that humans have 'original sin'?
No one is asking you to have no hope but the basic nature of humans is very bad or evil. Who is more likely to do evil the one who reconizes tendencis to do evil and conters the activly or the one who believs themselfs to be good and moral and fails to reconize such tendencies?Why I would I want to have no hope in humanity, or the goodness and kindness of people?
If you want to lessen the suffering of mankind first you must reconise that you are capable in acting and supporting great evil. Second, you must question your motivations whether or not there is any evil intent. Third, you must understand the outcomes of any action that you do or any that you support. Fourth you must understand what can be changed in this world and how readily. Finaly you must accept that you could be wrong in some of your ideas. If you are able to do these you are ready to begin to couter the worlds suffering try not to make things worse by doing so.Why would I want to believe that all the suffering, misery and hopelessness in the world is required by an (1) an uncaring deity or (2) a merciless entity out to test his creations by causing them pain; instead of believing that there is NO God, and that on account of this, there is actual hope for humanity to better itself and ease it's suffering?
I wonder sometimes ...
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An Enlightened Master is ideal only if your goal is to become a Benighted Slave. -- Robert Anton Wilson
Which contained ONE OT reference, which you also caught.For the NT start with the Mother Mary. And in certain churches and certain bibles Mary Magdalene. There's Priscilla, the daughters of lot, the four daughters of the prophet Philip, Phoebe and Junia.
This seems to be a theme with you this trollish behavior.
If the bible is so perfect then please explain this 1 portion to me. I came across it while I was reading the bible and taking a **** and it absolutely astounded me.
Is God bald? Do you really, really think the "Father of All That is True" would mall 42 kids with bears because they called a man bald?2 Kings 23 -
"Elisha left Jericho and went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, a group of boys from the town began mocking and making fun of him. "Go away, baldy!" they chanted. "Go away, baldy!" Elisha turned around and looked at them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of them."
And wether you think so or not someone in the past has edited the bible here and there to control others. Test it out yourself and find out! Rip a page out of your bible and add a new one in. Lets see if God stops you. Im betting on he truly wouldnt care because he didnt sponsor it. I bet he might even smile for a little bit at your bravery. But thats just a guess on my part.
There is too much in the bible that says "Obey your elders, lords." "Dont be rebellious." "Take this land here and portion it off in a specific way for your use to praise the lord" and it all sounds like excuses to control people in mass to me. What if the people you arent supposed to question happen to be evil? Flawed Bible.
I was Christian until I actually started reading the bible and got to parts that made me think, "Whatttt... the... helll...?!"
If the Christian god is truly god as depicted in the bible and he would maul children for saying "baldy" then he is a Lord Of Terror. A demon pretending to be altruistic God to only those who obey him without faltering (and even then he still sometimes "allows" satan to torture and test those who obey). Conditioning through fear.
What are you going to do when you stand in front of God and he says "Oops you didnt think on yoru own. You had blind faith in me and THIS is what truly enables evil within the world. Goodbye" and casts you into hell for being a robot?
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Is society was made of coral our world would be floral.
Most churches believe that gay sex or straight sex outside of marriage is a mortal sin....
"God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."