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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

    How are Christians to help sinners stop sinning if we bannish them and exile them?

    The best way to stop anal sex, oral sex, greed, lust, theft, drug use, murder, rape, dishonesty, is to love the sinner and work with him to end his sinful ways.

    This is what Jesus would do.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    How are Christians to help sinners stop sinning if we bannish them and exile them?

    The best way to stop anal sex, oral sex, greed, lust, theft, drug use, murder, rape, dishonesty, is to love the sinner and work with him to end his sinful ways.

    This is what Jesus would do.
    You'll understand that christians might be wary of a non/anti-christian telling them what Jesus would do.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    According to the Bible it's a sin.
    So is slander and hate.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You'll understand that christians might be wary of a non/anti-christian telling them what Jesus would do.
    I am a Christian. Been one since 1994.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    So, in other words, you're not a christian and you don't understand christianity or the Bible. You just wish to remain comfortable with your misunderstandings and rejection of belief. Fine by me, but then why go to all the trouble of trying to trot out quotes and passages you don't understand the context of, trying to convince yourself of something?

    You're not convincing us who are christians, we can see your error.
    Nope. Evangelical Lutheran. Former Christian. Resulted from the firstly being exposure to the world outside of my 'home' and secondly, my education and personal exploration of religion.

    As much as you believe that you are exposed to the "rest of the world," that's not at all true. Going and living in a foreign country that is non-Christian helped me realize that the vast majority of the human population does not believe in the Bible, Christianity or the Christian God. I realized that one does not need to be Christian to be good, or have a decent, moral, meaningful and successful life. I was able to put myself in the position of an observer, and came to the realization that as much as I thought the religious customs and beliefs of my host country were nonsense, my own religious practices were simply no different in their eyes. I became able to critique the Christian faith for its strengths and weaknesses as I had new knowledge of other religions and explain how much better/worse they were than my own faith.

    I also became more interested in religion and religious doctrines, and educated myself in these matters. I began finding irreconcilable problems in doctrinal matters like intercessory prayer, human nature, the Eucharist and Grace. My education in matters like biology, physics and reason proved that beliefs such as Creationism and miracles were incredible myths, and that there was piles of evidence demonstrating this to be so. I began reading the Bible and studying its origins--and I found not only a few ugly and offensive teachings (like the Biblical role of women, gays or ethnic minorities), but I learned about all of the manipulations, contradictions, factual & translational errors and political motivations contained within the Bible. I learned that the Christian teachings about the Bible (e.g. that people name Matthew, Mark, Luke, John wrote books in their name, or that a man named Moses existed) were not only wrong, but blatantly false.

    All of it piled one on top of the other, until the "belief" became so full of logical and emotional holes, and so many apologetic conditions, that it was not even worth trying to force myself to believe it anymore. I threw religion out the window, and even though it was a bit sad realizing that promises like eternal life were not true, I am glad that I did it because I believe that it made me a more educated and wiser person.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    So is slander and hate.
    I've given you the evidence for "slander" being a sin, though you don't seem to know what slander entails. However, I haven't seen where hate in all circumstances is regarded as a sin.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I've given you the evidence for "slander" being a sin, though you don't seem to know what slander entails. However, I haven't seen where hate in all circumstances is regarded as a sin.
    What sort of hatred do you believe is welcome?

    Is it ok to hate blacks? Ok to hate Jews? Ok to hate Gays?

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Nope. Evangelical Lutheran. Former Christian. Resulted from the firstly being exposure to the world outside of my 'home' and secondly, my education and personal exploration of religion.

    As much as you believe that you are exposed to the "rest of the world," that's not at all true. Going and living in a foreign country that is non-Christian helped me realize that the vast majority of the human population does not believe in the Bible, Christianity or the Christian God. I realized that one does not need to be Christian to be good, or have a decent, moral, meaningful and successful life. I was able to put myself in the position of an observer, and came to the realization that as much as I thought the religious customs and beliefs of my host country were nonsense, my own religious practices were simply no different in their eyes. I became able to critique the Christian faith for its strengths and weaknesses as I had new knowledge of other religions and explain how much better/worse they were than my own faith.

    I also became more interested in religion and religious doctrines, and educated myself in these matters. I began finding irreconcilable problems in doctrinal matters like intercessory prayer, human nature, the Eucharist and Grace. My education in matters like biology, physics and reason proved that beliefs such as Creationism and miracles were incredible myths, and that there was piles of evidence demonstrating this to be so. I began reading the Bible and studying its origins--and I found not only a few ugly and offensive teachings (like the Biblical role of women, gays or ethnic minorities), but I learned about all of the manipulations, contradictions, factual & translational errors and political motivations contained within the Bible. I learned that the Christian teachings about the Bible (e.g. that people name Matthew, Mark, Luke, John wrote books in their name, or that a man named Moses existed) were not only wrong, but blatantly false.

    All of it piled one on top of the other, until the "belief" became so full of logical and emotional holes, and so many apologetic conditions, that it was not even worth trying to force myself to believe it anymore. I threw religion out the window, and even though it was a bit sad realizing that promises like eternal life were not true, I am glad that I did it because I believe that it made me a more educated and wiser person.
    Sincerely, thank you for taking the time to explain your spiritual journey. I can see where we have a lot in common. I too went that way during the middle course of my life and was agnostic at best. God gradually eroded that and I am the prodigal son.

    That said, there are a few falsehoods and inaccuracies in your tale that betray that your study was not as fruitful as you believe. Most glaring is the placement of Moses in the New Testament, attributing him to those authors. That's the most basic of errors you could not have made if you had indeed studied the Bible and other religions. Have you read the Torah?

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    What sort of hatred do you believe is welcome?

    Is it ok to hate blacks? Ok to hate Jews? Ok to hate Gays?
    Well, as has been mentioned many times in this thread, seems to be okay to "hate the sin".

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well, as has been mentioned many times in this thread, seems to be okay to "hate the sin".
    Yes you can hate sinful acts.

    Being Gay isn't a sinful act. The sinful act is anal sex which is committed by straights and gays alike.

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