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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Do they ban couples living together outside of marriage?
    I don't know but they just might do that. Then again they might be advised they consider them maried under common law and would press to formilize it. They would not host an org that openly accepted that status though.


    Those who are having sex outside marriage?

    If it came to their attention they would admonish their members and would expel them if they did not correct themselves.


    Those who lie?
    Lying is not a sin in and of itself. Lying with ill intent is of course. I do not know though if that congregation is one who thinks all lies are sin.

    Those who cheat?
    Thats a sin, if it involved money I guess they would have to deal with the issue.

    Those who bully?
    Must admonish the one who bullies but again I don't know their policy.



    Those who don't come to church every Sunday?
    Up to them to establish at what point a person has abandoned the Church.

    Those who drink?
    Drinking alcohol is not a sin itself but drinking to excess is. Most Christians are NOT grape juice Christians and I doubt that congregation is most Baptists aren't.


    When churches start banning sinners??
    The issue is unrepentant sin and accepting unrepentant sin.

    They've lost the plot. From their tenets:
    To recieve forgivness of sin one must repent the sin.


    I don't see "except if you're gay" in there anywhere. You?
    Since homosexual acts are sin and a sin is thought word or deed and accepting homosexuality as not being sinful makes that counter to what the Church teaches and they cannot host any org that is in direct conflict with their teaching.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    I don't know but they just might do that. Then again they might be advised they consider them maried under common law and would press to formilize it. They would not host an org that openly accepted that status though.

    If it came to their attention they would admonish their members and would expel them if they did not correct themselves.

    Lying is not a sin in and of itself. Lying with ill intent is of course. I do not know though if that congregation is one who thinks all lies are sin.

    Thats a sin, if it involved money I guess they would have to deal with the issue.

    Must admonish the one who bullies but again I don't know their policy.

    Up to them to establish at what point a person has abandoned the Church.

    Drinking alcohol is not a sin itself but drinking to excess is. Most Christians are NOT grape juice Christians and I doubt that congregation is most Baptists aren't.

    The issue is unrepentant sin and accepting unrepentant sin.

    To recieve forgivness of sin one must repent the sin.

    Since homosexual acts are sin and a sin is thought word or deed and accepting homosexuality as not being sinful makes that counter to what the Church teaches and they cannot host any org that is in direct conflict with their teaching.
    I think you make a good argument, which is why I Liked your post. I don't agree with those Baptist churches that elect to ban Scout meetings, however. If what you're saying is true, then every Baptist church should ban BSA or close their doors. (And that is certainly not the case.) *shrug*

    It occurs to me that those churches who do ban BSA should be actively praying that they're right -- that it is a sin -- that it is a conscious choice. Because if not? Some people are gunna' have some 'splainin' to do.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    These so-called Christians act as if all sin can be and should be forgiven, except the sin of being gay.

    (which isn't a sin)

    But the acts in thought, word and deed are sin and unrepentant sin cannot be forgivenl. This is basic Christiananity.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Show me in the bible where homosexuality is a worse sin than gluttony. From what I understand gluttony is one of the 7 deadly sins and homosexuality isn't.

    Keep in mind that the distinguishment of deadly sins is Catholic doctrine and is not Baptist doctrine. Also gluttony is not just becoming obese, it involves the self centered and self gratification of the consumption of food and other products to the extent that one ignores ones fellow man. A obese man who keeps his fellow man in his heart is not a gulton though one can argue that eating too much is a sin against the body that is the temple which God inhabits.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    But the acts in thought, word and deed are sin and unrepentant sin cannot be forgivenl. This is basic Christiananity.
    Arent you supposed to love your enemy? That seems like forgiving them even though they sin to me. I personally dont think homosexuality is a sin. I think control freaks used the bible to rally against what they personally think is obscene. But I also beleive that some of the bible is defiled and not wholly true. Ive read too many passages that seem to be made from the mind of a greedy human lord or king. Christians say "I feel in my heart this is true!" Well I feel im my heart that homosexuality isn't a sin. I feel in my heart that men have guided the bible to their whims.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    Keep in mind that the distinguishment of deadly sins is Catholic doctrine and is not Baptist doctrine. Also gluttony is not just becoming obese, it involves the self centered and self gratification of the consumption of food and other products to the extent that one ignores ones fellow man. A obese man who keeps his fellow man in his heart is not a gulton though one can argue that eating too much is a sin against the body that is the temple which God inhabits.
    Doesn't really matter, I picked that one randomly. Simply being born human is a terrible sin.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    What makes you angry at me? Science deals with observable, measurable phenomena. Faith deals with beliefs. They aren't in any way connected. Since science can't observe the creation of our universe, it can only make assumptions from what can be observed. So far that isn't enough to figure it all out. It may never be. What does that have to do with faith?
    Science deals with reality. Religion deals with fantasy. You're right, they aren't in any way connected, nor is religion demonstrably valid in any way, shape or form. Science can observe back to Planck-time, immediately after the Big Bang. Religion just makes up nonsense out of whole cloth, ideas that can't be tested, and in fact, are specifically constructed to be immune from testing.

    There's no demonstrable difference between saying "God did it" and "an invisible worm with a magic wand did it".
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Do they ban couples living together outside of marriage? Those who are having sex outside marriage? Those who lie? Those who cheat? Those who bully? Those who don't come to church every Sunday? Those who drink?
    Do they ban people who wear mixed-fabrics or work on the Sabbath? Do they stone unruly children? How many witches have they personally killed? It's just another case of following the parts of the Bible that they like and ignoring the parts that they don't.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    These so-called Christians act as if all sin can be and should be forgiven, except the sin of being gay.

    (which isn't a sin)
    According to the Bible it's a sin.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Do they ban people who wear mixed-fabrics or work on the Sabbath? Do they stone unruly children? How many witches have they personally killed? It's just another case of following the parts of the Bible that they like and ignoring the parts that they don't.
    The Christianophobes do the same thing. They invoked the ever notorious, "WWJD", when preaching about passivism and paying taxes--not even knowing what the latter passage is even referring to--yet insist that homosexuality isn't a sin, when the Bible clearly states that it is.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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