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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Whatever makes the modern klan sleep better at night.
    The modern klan? Oh man you are cracking me up

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Whatever makes the modern klan sleep better at night.
    The clan called themselves christians, and believed what they were doing aligned with the bible. So I think that was an ironically poor analogy on your part.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The clan called themselves christians, and believed what they were doing aligned with the bible. So I think that was an ironically poor analogy on your part.
    What's ironic is you thinking the "klan called itself Christian" is an even remotely valid point.

    We already covered this. you get to say whatever nasty things you want to about Christians.

    You just made my point for me.

    thanks.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    What's ironic is you thinking the "klan called itself Christian" is an even remotely valid point.

    We already covered this. you get to say whatever nasty things you want to about Christians.

    You just made my point for me.

    thanks.
    Funny, because even the KKK website calls themselves christians.

    A google search will provide all of the information you need.

    Whether they align with biblical values or not is certainly up for debate (I would say no), but they are certainly doing what they do in the name of christianity.

    Educate yourself please.

    http://www.wckkkk.org/identity.html

    http://kkkknights.com/

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    I might debate you on what Jesus might do... had I read these texts with sufficient concentration to maybe understand generally what Jesus might or might not do in given instance, but certainly would hope I would not be arrogant enough to think I am qualified to specifically determine what he would do in each situation ... what I have read has constantly amazed me in the variation and yet, somehow, the consistency and rationality of his viewpoints somehow... pretty amazing even if I am not a follower. He did throw out the money changers, apparently, from the temple... and I think it conceivable, perhaps, that not every single money changer was evil either, huh?

    Beyond that, I am not the one to ask probably.
    No worries. I'm not asking and this is an easy one. That boy scout troop did nothing wrong, nothing changed with their particular troop the pastor just didn't like that the organization itself became more inclusive by allowing for openly gay members.
    I believe half of the things I say and say half of the things I believe.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Funny, because even the KKK website calls themselves christians.
    Wow, even their website says so? Amazing stuff. And it must be true, cause it's on the internet.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    A google search will provide all of the information you need.
    Ya, umm, google search is how you got owned in the first place.Try actually knowing WTH you are talking about before you open your mouth.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Funny, because even the KKK website calls themselves christians.

    A google search will provide all of the information you need.

    Whether they align with biblical values or not is certainly up for debate (I would say no), but they are certainly doing what they do in the name of christianity.

    Educate yourself please.

    http://www.wckkkk.org/identity.html
    The first KKK no. They were all veterans of the Civil War and had no religious affiliation. In fact they were known then as a military force serving the interests of the Democratic party. The second KKK yes, but then only to bring the protestants onboard in their fight against papists (Catholics). The third, yes, 50s and 60s America had religion written all over it. If you didn't believe in God you were a commie.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    It seems that one of the main arguments against SSM here is that it will "destroy the sanctity of marriage (whatever the hell that means).
    Despite the fact that no one here has actually proven that it will (opinions are not facts),may I point out that even if that was true,destruction may lead to a very rough road,but it also breeds creation.Sometimes,an old forest has to burn so that a new forest can appear.
    It may suck for those who survive the fire,nd for those who die in it,but any forest ranger will tell you that to try to prevent the forest from burning in the first place will just create a worse conflagration in the future.

    The only thing in this universe that is not subject to change,is change itself.None of us here can accurately predict the future.So none of us know if SSM will be a bad thing (and so far in places that allow it,it hasn't been). Traditions are not immune from the power of change,despite whether humans like it or not. I'm sure there were humans who thought the use of the wheel and the use of fire to cook food were bad ideas.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    Traditions are not immune from the power of change,despite whether humans like it or not. I'm sure there were humans who thought the use of the wheel and the use of fire to cook food were bad ideas.
    Don't overinflate the importance of gay marriage. It rates more inline with the Pet Rock than the cooking of food and use of the wheel.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    2) This doesn't address the fact that the church actively ignores those guilty of "better sins" who are unrepentent about them. I've yet to see a church kick out a member not being repentent about being fat, lazy, envious, lustful, etc. etc. etc.

    3) Of course it's his legal right, but we're talking about his compliance with the bible. Fact is, the boyscouts always hired sinners to be scout leaders, now they hire more sinners. Their curriculum hasn't changed one bit. The pastor just threw a hissy fit because he wanted to make a political statement because he hates homosexuality more than the other sins.

    4) Likewise, everyone who doesn't discriminate against gays isn't condoning their behavior.

    5) Last time I checked, everyone is running around crying about overpopulation. Why would this be a bad thing? I'm not gay centric, I just don't like people trying to make other people's lives miserable for no real reason. Gays have been harassed for thousands of years, and I'm not interested in supporting that status quo. It's everyone's right to believe what they want. When the christians however petition their government to have anti-gay laws passed or things such as marriage withheld, it becomes a problem. That's unacceptable regardless of who they're targeting.

    2. just a tad apples and oranges here, as previously described, these type sinners are not actively advocating that their sins become okay, accepted, that there sins no longer be considered sins, that it just become "normal". There is a quite a difference, you know.

    3. I think the bible promotes good associations doesn't it? Ministering to those who sin, trying to help the sinners overcome that sin, not enabling the sinner to continue to commit, that is not what the bible says?

    I really have no independent corroboration of what you are saying with regards to hiring of sinners as scout leaders, except for the concession earlier that yes, we are all, indeed, sinners... And guess what, this pastor is allowed to hate these sins as much as he pleases...

    4. No, those who don't discriminate are not necessarily condoning, or not, agreed... but if some group is screaming to get into another group that has been against allowing that group in for certain condemned behaviors, and now they do let them in, what else would kids, anybody for that matter, think? What is the message other that one of acceptance?

    5. Personally, I am not on that overpopulation bandwagon. I live in one of the most populous states of the union and can drive on some stretches of road at 55mph for a decently long time without even seeing a house, another car or individual...many indicate the world population will peak in 2050, then head downwards...so, that overpopulation argument does not hold much water for me.

    We have discriminated, prudently, with a lot of various groups over the years, this just happens to be one of them. That we have become more tolerant should not be taken as weakness, toleration can be removed so fast the head will spin... caution is the suggestion here... everyone in a free society should be appreciative of what freedom and tolerance they have...would seem prudent advice coming from to one who studies a lot of history....

    Christians, generally, were not petitioning to have the government have anti gay laws passed, Christians have pretty much maintained the idea of morals, traditional marriage that has been a proven success, etc...it is those actively campaigning in other directions that have created the friction between the two... and we are just swinging, bringing the ship of morality so our full broadsides maybe brought to bear on this battle... we have neglected it too long...

    So, if a group comes along and wants inter-familial marriage, an incestuous marriage in other words, that would be totally acceptable to you? Society has not the right to determine what is unacceptable? I mean that is just plain silliness to say that a society making rules about what is best for society and also what is bad, that targeting of certain behaviors is unacceptable ... so just anything goes? Anything goes only in chaos... the smarter of us fight those who desire for this chaos...
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