KKK website calls themselves christians.
A google search will provide all of the information you need.
Whether they align with biblical values or not is certainly up for debate (I would say no), but they are certainly doing what they do in the name of christianity.
Educate yourself please.
I believe half of the things I say and say half of the things I believe.
It seems that one of the main arguments against SSM here is that it will "destroy the sanctity of marriage (whatever the hell that means).
Despite the fact that no one here has actually proven that it will (opinions are not facts),may I point out that even if that was true,destruction may lead to a very rough road,but it also breeds creation.Sometimes,an old forest has to burn so that a new forest can appear.
It may suck for those who survive the fire,nd for those who die in it,but any forest ranger will tell you that to try to prevent the forest from burning in the first place will just create a worse conflagration in the future.
The only thing in this universe that is not subject to change,is change itself.None of us here can accurately predict the future.So none of us know if SSM will be a bad thing (and so far in places that allow it,it hasn't been). Traditions are not immune from the power of change,despite whether humans like it or not. I'm sure there were humans who thought the use of the wheel and the use of fire to cook food were bad ideas.
2. just a tad apples and oranges here, as previously described, these type sinners are not actively advocating that their sins become okay, accepted, that there sins no longer be considered sins, that it just become "normal". There is a quite a difference, you know.
3. I think the bible promotes good associations doesn't it? Ministering to those who sin, trying to help the sinners overcome that sin, not enabling the sinner to continue to commit, that is not what the bible says?
I really have no independent corroboration of what you are saying with regards to hiring of sinners as scout leaders, except for the concession earlier that yes, we are all, indeed, sinners... And guess what, this pastor is allowed to hate these sins as much as he pleases...
4. No, those who don't discriminate are not necessarily condoning, or not, agreed... but if some group is screaming to get into another group that has been against allowing that group in for certain condemned behaviors, and now they do let them in, what else would kids, anybody for that matter, think? What is the message other that one of acceptance?
5. Personally, I am not on that overpopulation bandwagon. I live in one of the most populous states of the union and can drive on some stretches of road at 55mph for a decently long time without even seeing a house, another car or individual...many indicate the world population will peak in 2050, then head downwards...so, that overpopulation argument does not hold much water for me.
We have discriminated, prudently, with a lot of various groups over the years, this just happens to be one of them. That we have become more tolerant should not be taken as weakness, toleration can be removed so fast the head will spin... caution is the suggestion here... everyone in a free society should be appreciative of what freedom and tolerance they have...would seem prudent advice coming from to one who studies a lot of history....
Christians, generally, were not petitioning to have the government have anti gay laws passed, Christians have pretty much maintained the idea of morals, traditional marriage that has been a proven success, etc...it is those actively campaigning in other directions that have created the friction between the two... and we are just swinging, bringing the ship of morality so our full broadsides maybe brought to bear on this battle... we have neglected it too long...
So, if a group comes along and wants inter-familial marriage, an incestuous marriage in other words, that would be totally acceptable to you? Society has not the right to determine what is unacceptable? I mean that is just plain silliness to say that a society making rules about what is best for society and also what is bad, that targeting of certain behaviors is unacceptable ... so just anything goes? Anything goes only in chaos... the smarter of us fight those who desire for this chaos...
Last edited by Gaugingcatenate; 06-01-13 at 12:19 PM.