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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    It's so sad how passionately these people are defending their own prejudices. This is the biggest problem I have with christians. They condemn and cry and whine about how homosexuals are horrible sinners, yet their own lives are chocked full of sin.

    Simply pathetic.
    And when someone points out how hypocritical and bigoted their position is, they whine about being "bullied".

    You and I don't agree on much, but on this there's no daylight between us.
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    Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

    Eph 5:1-13

    1Follow God’s example, therefore, as dearly loved children 2and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.

    3But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. 4Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.a 6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7Therefore do not be partners with them.

    8For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light 9(for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) 10and find out what pleases the Lord. 11Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. 12It is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13But everything exposed by the light becomes visible—and everything that is illuminated becomes a light. 14This is why it is said:

    “Wake up, sleeper,
    rise from the dead,
    and Christ will shine on you.”

    15Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, 16making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. 17Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is. 18Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit, 19speaking to one another with psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit. Sing and make music from your heart to the Lord, 20always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    We are in total agreement about it being the Church's decision.


    Of the two ways, bringing freely, willingly, most often happily towards an almost spirit generated positivity of guiding, good deeds and knowledge, again, these concepts brought by religions voluntarily, taken, by whoever decides to take, in the same vein ...

    Compared to this new social enforcement of viewpoint... certainly admirably hard worked for and astoundingly well accomplished in such a short time, this change in world wide society's perceptions... salmon like, leaping upstream, up against the basic under-girding of our more natural character.

    Really an amazing achievement... which doesn't diminish from the fact that this new view, in reality, is now forced upon the many. Where is the tolerance of others, the allowance of diversity of belief? Is not something being lost here?

    So you "encourage", push push pushing the BS of America to change its heart, whether they really wanted to or not...

    But one sees, recognizes that just changing the BS of A ...that's just just not sufficient, huh? These groups cannot stop at that, they must FORCE the church to change as well? To go against its actual beliefs ...

    Sounds very intolerant to me.
    Everybody just wants to be accepted I suppose

    Sounds intolerant to me too but it doesn't change the fact that that Church was wrong in doing what they did. Jesus would never have turned them away just because someone higher up on the food chain said it was okay for gay people to participate as well.
    I believe half of the things I say and say half of the things I believe.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    1) After looking it up, apparently the christian community is very split on this, as it is up to interpretation. I was raised in a denomination where that was preached. Either way, I haven't see any evidence that homosexuality is a worse sin than anything else.

    2) So it's only a problem if they're being flamboyant about it? Are you trying to claim all gays are flamboyant and "in your face" and that's why it's ok? What about the gays who just want to be left alone? Did this pastor even determine if there were gays or not in the local troop? There probably wasn't. What if someone was born gay? (Akin to your thyroid argument)

    3) It doesn't need to be brought up. I would imagine if a Scout leader started talking to his cubscouts about his sex life, regardless of his orientation, he would be fired immediately. I was in scouts as a kid and my dad was a scoutmaster and I never heard anybody mention their sex life EVER. There is no butt-sex merit badge or any kind of homosexual agenda. They simply decided not to discriminate, just like the rest of the world. Why hasn't this pastor banned military and military related events from his church as well? They should all be punished because the military allows homosexuals now.

    4) Discriminating against gays is what has kept them successful? Jesus lived among sinners so that he could preach to them. He didn't say "You're a faggot so you're not welcome here." I thought christians were supposed to always be struggling to be like christ. By not-discriminating you're not saying "What you do is OK!" just like when a church allows every other sinner, it isn't saying "What you do is OK!".

    5) Once again, I'm not seeing the connection to gay-bashing and their success.

    Thanks for the decently frank answers.

    1. So we agree that some may consider some sins, logically, to be worse than others. And should a certain group decide that homosexuality is worse than, say, telling your mother you finished your homework when you really hadn’t, that might be rational, might it not? No offense to your denomination of course.

    2. Not flamboyant….Unrepentant… in open defiance of the particular Church’s, many churches’, principles….so not because of the flamboyance, although calling attention to themselves does tend to, wonder of wonder, call attention to themselves as they are openly trying to force everyone else to agree that this preference become condoned behavior. Condoned behavior translates to kids as being accepted behavior. Kids, most of whose parents would rather want their children to be instructed in their church or troop in a manner more in a parallel relationship to what they, the parents, have determined to be right or wrong. Not what a partiuclar group relying on rigorous enforcement through the state and constant bullying by a activist media, all trying to mandate what everyone else must think…

    scary…

    3. Freedom of assembly, the right of free choice of just who it is you care to hang around with, this guaranteed by our Constitution.

    4. Everything is not about gays and everything that does not promote this particular deviant lifestyle is not absolutely directed at being discriminatory of gays. Churches and religions are based upon many guidelines, this proscription against same sex sexual activities is just one of the many.

    5. Again, its not about gay bashing, its about promoting what works for societies, in the aggregate. This is just, as indicated before, one facet of the recommended lifestyle that is given to promote physical, mental and spiritual well being. I think you are being perhaps a bit overly-gaycentric, are you not?

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And when someone points out how hypocritical and bigoted their position is, they whine about being "bullied".

    You and I don't agree on much, but on this there's no daylight between us.

    I see daylight!.... And I see ear hair.


    hmmm. anyway,

    Yes, you both deserve cookies for your ill-informed bigotry and hatred of one of the few groups you are allowed to be bigoted and hateful towards.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Thanks for the decently frank answers.

    1. So we agree that some may consider some sins, logically, to be worse than others. And should a certain group decide that homosexuality is worse than, say, telling your mother you finished your homework when you really hadn’t, that might be rational, might it not? No offense to your denomination of course.

    2. Not flamboyant….Unrepentant… in open defiance of the particular Church’s, many churches’, principles….so not because of the flamboyance, although calling attention to themselves does tend to, wonder of wonder, call attention to themselves as they are openly trying to force everyone else to agree that this preference become condoned behavior. Condoned behavior translates to kids as being accepted behavior. Kids, most of whose parents would rather want their children to be instructed in their church or troop in a manner more in a parallel relationship to what they, the parents, have determined to be right or wrong. Not what a partiuclar group relying on rigorous enforcement through the state and constant bullying by a activist media, all trying to mandate what everyone else must think…

    scary…

    3. Freedom of assembly, the right of free choice of just who it is you care to hang around with, this guaranteed by our Constitution.

    4. Everything is not about gays and everything that does not promote this particular deviant lifestyle is not absolutely directed at being discriminatory of gays. Churches and religions are based upon many guidelines, this proscription against same sex sexual activities is just one of the many.

    5. Again, its not about gay bashing, its about promoting what works for societies, in the aggregate. This is just, as indicated before, one facet of the recommended lifestyle that is given to promote physical, mental and spiritual well being. I think you are being perhaps a bit overly-gaycentric, are you not?
    2) This doesn't address the fact that the church actively ignores those guilty of "better sins" who are unrepentent about them. I've yet to see a church kick out a member not being repentent about being fat, lazy, envious, lustful, etc. etc. etc.

    3) Of course it's his legal right, but we're talking about his compliance with the bible. Fact is, the boyscouts always hired sinners to be scout leaders, now they hire more sinners. Their curriculum hasn't changed one bit. The pastor just threw a hissy fit because he wanted to make a political statement because he hates homosexuality more than the other sins.

    4) Likewise, everyone who doesn't discriminate against gays isn't condoning their behavior.

    5) Last time I checked, everyone is running around crying about overpopulation. Why would this be a bad thing? I'm not gay centric, I just don't like people trying to make other people's lives miserable for no real reason. Gays have been harassed for thousands of years, and I'm not interested in supporting that status quo. It's everyone's right to believe what they want. When the christians however petition their government to have anti-gay laws passed or things such as marriage withheld, it becomes a problem. That's unacceptable regardless of who they're targeting.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Many straight people engage in anal sex. Should these people also be banned from the Boy Scouts?

    What about straight people that engage in oral sex?

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    I see daylight!.... And I see ear hair.


    hmmm. anyway,

    Yes, you both deserve cookies for your ill-informed bigotry and hatred of one of the few groups you are allowed to be bigoted and hateful towards.
    Yeah bigoted against bigotry, how shameful!

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    Everybody just wants to be accepted I suppose

    Sounds intolerant to me too but it doesn't change the fact that that Church was wrong in doing what they did. Jesus would never have turned them away just because someone higher up on the food chain said it was okay for gay people to participate as well.
    I might debate you on what Jesus might do... had I read these texts with sufficient concentration to maybe understand generally what Jesus might or might not do in given instance, but certainly would hope I would not be arrogant enough to think I am qualified to specifically determine what he would do in each situation ... what I have read has constantly amazed me in the variation and yet, somehow, the consistency and rationality of his viewpoints somehow... pretty amazing even if I am not a follower. He did throw out the money changers, apparently, from the temple... and I think it conceivable, perhaps, that not every single money changer was evil either, huh?

    Beyond that, I am not the one to ask probably.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Yeah bigoted against bigotry, how shameful!
    Whatever makes the modern klan sleep better at night.

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