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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    You do know that Romans is in the New Testament, right?
    I never said it wasn't. I said the verse you chose doesn't really apply, because it listed many, many things these people did. I then said don't come back next with verses from the old covenant, because none of them are applicable to modern christianity.

    I was trying to save both of us time in your next attempt, but I guess it didn't work.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No, I'm advocating that Christians don't penalize and stigmatize all boy scouts because they consider that some few of them are sinners.
    Haha. so you think the scouts themselves, if they show up to church on Sunday, would not be allowed in the church because they are in the boy scouts?

    worry not your little head.

    That's just not happening.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Haha. so are you saying that the boy scouts themselves, if they show up to church on Sunday, would not be allowed in because they are in the boyscouts.

    worry not your little head.

    That's just not happening.
    Explain the difference to me.

    I think it'd be an excellent protest, however. Boys showing up on Sundays wearing their uniforms. Don't you?
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Explain the difference to me.

    I think it'd be an excellent protest, however. Boys showing up on Sundays wearing their uniforms. Don't you?
    The boys who happen to be in boyscouts are not being booted out of church. The organization is being booted out of the church.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What makes churches exempt from The Civil Rights Act? While they don't receive funds from the Federal government, they most certainly enjoy a tax-advantaged status.

    A private business can't discriminate in this fashion...why should a church be permitted to do so?
    1) not associating with the scouts because of their political position is not the same as discriminating against homosexuality.

    2) They are not even going so far as to ban individual BAS staff , volunteers or members, just the mere act of disassociating themselves with an official BSA function

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

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    So let's take a guy named Bob. Bob has a beer belly, and he likes eating, a LOT. He is by every definition a glutton. By allowing Bob into church without demanding that he change his life immediately, the church is supporting his sin?

    I grew up in church, and a large number of them were morbidly obese. I didn't see any condemnation of their gluttony, nor did the church feel bad about allowing them in, even though that had ZERO intention to change.

    So you're saying that gluttony is a "better", "more acceptable" sin than homosexuality? Should any organization that doesn't discriminate against sinners be rejected by the church? I don't see any christians rejecting Wal-Mart because they don't discriminate against homosexuals.
    First, you ignored the request for evidence substantiating your claim that all sin is considered to be equal. Can you supply that please, as it seemed fairly integral to your original argument.

    Second, is Bob in your example making a big deal of his gluttony [ besides being big himself ]? Is he forming organizations, lobbying, having media take up his cause to promote gluttony as not only accepted, but considered something he should not be ashamed of? And, are you absolutely sure that Bob is, indeed, gluttonous...? Perhaps does he have a thyroid problem ... or maybe is having to take steroids... or one of probably at least a hundred different maladies that manifest itself in appearing grossly overweight? How would the pastor know, specifically, in each and every case? Especially if Bob isn't making a big deal of it, pointing to himself all the time saying see, I am a glutton and you should just accept it, celebrate it even...

    Third, just what is the real game here, why MUST sexual preference be brought up? Especially in the case of an organization that deals mainly with underaged children in which promotion of sex, in any particular shared form, should not be, for the most part, encouraged.

    Fourth, do you not agree that asking a church, whose reason for being, its very raison de etre, is promoting just these sort of principles and that has achieved for themselves the long lasting prosperity of being the number one religion in the world, asking to give up what has helped them remain successful in the past, you think that is the better way to go?

    Fifth, that asking the church to give up what it has successfully done for at least 2000 or so years while those calling for only the church giving up while at the same time not willing to give up themselves what they have done not very successfully since the beginning... you somehow forgot to say whether you thought that was just as hypocritical or more hypocritical... it could not be less than either, could it?

    Please answer 1-5, thanks...

    Oh, and I do not think that people who actually praise and who actively, stridently promote gluttony should be off the hook, no. Everybody should accept it as something to be overcome... got that straight, do we?

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    These so-called Christians act as if all sin can be and should be forgiven, except the sin of being gay.

    (which isn't a sin)
    That is your view, and you have the right to that view, just as we have the right to our OWN views on the matter.

    Besides being, who says the sin of committing gay acts cannot be forgiven? As someone else indicated, I think there is the requirement of repentance first though. I do not think the murderer or rapist is forgiven unless they confess their sins and repent. Depending on the denomination I would suppose, again it is not my religion nor am I a particular scholar of its texts.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

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    Well, this is Alabama we're talking about.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post

    First, you ignored the request for evidence substantiating your claim that all sin is considered to be equal. Can you supply that please, as it seemed fairly integral to your original argument.

    Second, is Bob in your example making a big deal of his gluttony [ besides being big himself ]? Is he forming organizations, lobbying, having media take up his cause to promote gluttony as not only accepted, but considered something he should not be ashamed of? And, are you absolutely sure that Bob is, indeed, gluttonous...? Perhaps does he have a thyroid problem ... or maybe is having to take steroids... or one of probably at least a hundred different maladies that manifest itself in appearing grossly overweight? How would the pastor know, specifically, in each and every case? Especially if Bob isn't making a big deal of it, pointing to himself all the time saying see, I am a glutton and you should just accept it, celebrate it even...

    Third, just what is the real game here, why MUST sexual preference be brought up? Especially in the case of an organization that deals mainly with underaged children in which promotion of sex, in any particular shared form, should not be, for the most part, encouraged.

    Fourth, do you not agree that asking a church, whose reason for being, its very raison de etre, is promoting just these sort of principles and that has achieved for themselves the long lasting prosperity of being the number one religion in the world, asking to give up what has helped them remain successful in the past, you think that is the better way to go?

    Fifth, that asking the church to give up what it has successfully done for at least 2000 or so years while those calling for only the church giving up while at the same time not willing to give up themselves what they have done not very successfully since the beginning... you somehow forgot to say whether you thought that was just as hypocritical or more hypocritical... it could not be less than either, could it?

    Please answer 1-5, thanks...

    Oh, and I do not think that people who actually praise and who actively, stridently promote gluttony should be off the hook, no. Everybody should accept it as something to be overcome... got that straight, do we?
    1) After looking it up, apparently the christian community is very split on this, as it is up to interpretation. I was raised in a denomination where that was preached. Either way, I haven't see any evidence that homosexuality is a worse sin than anything else.

    2) So it's only a problem if they're being flamboyant about it? Are you trying to claim all gays are flamboyant and "in your face" and that's why it's ok? What about the gays who just want to be left alone? Did this pastor even determine if there were gays or not in the local troop? There probably wasn't. What if someone was born gay? (Akin to your thyroid argument)

    3) It doesn't need to be brought up. I would imagine if a Scout leader started talking to his cubscouts about his sex life, regardless of his orientation, he would be fired immediately. I was in scouts as a kid and my dad was a scoutmaster and I never heard anybody mention their sex life EVER. There is no butt-sex merit badge or any kind of homosexual agenda. They simply decided not to discriminate, just like the rest of the world. Why hasn't this pastor banned military and military related events from his church as well? They should all be punished because the military allows homosexuals now.

    4) Discriminating against gays is what has kept them successful? Jesus lived among sinners so that he could preach to them. He didn't say "You're a faggot so you're not welcome here." I thought christians were supposed to always be struggling to be like christ. By not-discriminating you're not saying "What you do is OK!" just like when a church allows every other sinner, it isn't saying "What you do is OK!".

    5) Once again, I'm not seeing the connection to gay-bashing and their success.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Well, this is Alabama we're talking about.
    Was the guy even a recognizable name, or in anyway prominent, before this?

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