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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

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    I regret to inform you that Sherlock Holmes is in on the Statist Plot.
    Recommend highly, and immediately, getting some help from him then... its sorely needed. That is, only if you actually want to figure out what is pertinent and what is not.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    I ignore the heavy fertilizer spread all over the top there [ nothing is growing so maybe you could work on weeding some of the extraneous out? Just a suggestion as I am not going for your avoidance maneuvers any longer].

    If you read the original post setting up this thread, it included this link here Pastor says Boy Scouts can no longer meet at his church

    And should you read that, you will see that it starts out with this line, "Some local churches say they will no longer allow Boy Scout troops to meet on their campuses after the Boy Scouts of America voted to allow openly gay scout members. "

    You see, as the article puts it, "First Baptist Church of Helena Pastor Greg Walker is one of the church leaders unhappy with the decision to allow openly gay scouts.

    Get who the they are now? [ Besides, you didn't think I would not notice that you were imprecise when you, sangha, used "you" to mean "he" or "him" as regards the pastor? And yet you take the time to criticize my "they", which is actually more correct in the actual context of what is being discussed in the thread, rather than "he". How ironic huh?]

    But to make it even more obvious and in terms you might be able to grasp to some extent.

    Questions:

    1. What is it that you believe that he, the pastor, [ and they, the other churches ] believe that is "stupid"?

    and...

    2. What you, sangha, think is smart about the view of the opposing side?
    1) He believes that Christianity requires him (and them) to not allow BSA to use his facilities. That is stupid

    2) The opposing side believes that he (and they) should allow the BSA to use his facilities. That is smart
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    Very sad that so-called "Christians" would want the Boy Scouts to discriminate against children who are homosexual.
    First of all, the Boy Scouts are not the Sexual Scouts, they have no need, as that is not the intended purpose of the organization, to declare a sexual preference at all.

    And, if they. BSA, have beliefs that follow in line with the dominant religion of the nation and want to rather maintain that philosphy and creed, how is it YOU and people like you can call that discrimination[ in the bad sense]. We all discriminate when we buy one car over another, why cannot people choose to associate with people who agree to a certain traditional religious lifestyle that they, and many of their parents, desire? Why is it you want to DICTATE to everyone else what they are REQUIRED to believe?

    I am tired of this bullying from the left not being called out, put on BLAST so everyone can see the hypocrisy of the requirement of tolerance by all others, intolerance by YOU, the liberal left. YOU are discriminating and oppressing these folks from exercizing their first amendment rights of freedom of religion and freedom of assembly.

    Be gone with such statist thought domination.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

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    Maybe he should put up with adultery amongst the congregation, too; and church members drinking whiskey, during sunday service. Yes?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    Very sad that so-called "Christians" would want the Boy Scouts to discriminate against children who are homosexual.
    According to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin. It would be quite hypocritical of Christians to support sin.

    What's the Libbos's favorite acronym?..."WWJD"? What Jesus would do, is tell gays they are sinners and they should repent and change their ways.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    1) He believes that Christianity requires him (and them) to not allow BSA to use his facilities. That is stupid

    2) The opposing side believes that he (and they) should allow the BSA to use his facilities. That is smart
    Okay, making a certain amount of progress here...

    Now...

    1. Why is it stupid to actually follow and stand up for one's freely held beliefs? Beliefs under the Constitution that are classified under religious freedom? Just because you and the left want to impose your own definition of what everybody else must believe is right and wrong? The state gets to decide? Remember those statism crumbs laid down for you earlier [ suggestion: make that call to Sherlock if in a quandary ] ?

    2. Why is it smart for someone to give in, to just toss their own principles, and cower to the bullying? Why doesn't your side do that instead of our side, if you believe so little in your principles while we believe so much in ours? Besides, you already seem to believe in caving into another belief, apparently. That would be smart, right?

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    1) He believes that Christianity requires him (and them) to not allow BSA to use his facilities. That is stupid

    2) The opposing side believes that he (and they) should allow the BSA to use his facilities. That is smart
    It's stupid to base your whole opinion in what's stupid and what isn't on political correctness.

    I guess you think it would be equally smart for this preacher man to allow the AVN Awards to be held in his church, too?

    Dammit! There needs to be a law against people's religious freedom! This whole freedom thing has gotten way out of hand!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Especially when their principles were as reprehensible as being the anti-gay bigots that they were.
    Just wondering...

    are the people that are anti anti-gay [ or pro gay calling others bigots who have a different belief on what is moral and what is not ] ...are they too bigots for believing that way? Or is this just the normal one way, left turns only allowed, fascism that we are all supposed to believe is the correct way to go?

    Just wondering how intellectually honest you are about people who disagree with you.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Okay, making a certain amount of progress here...

    Now...

    1. Why is it stupid to actually follow and stand up for one's freely held beliefs? Beliefs under the Constitution that are classified under religious freedom? Just because you and the left want to impose your own definition of what everybody else must believe is right and wrong? The state gets to decide? Remember those statism crumbs laid down for you earlier [ suggestion: make that call to Sherlock if in a quandary ] ?

    2. Why is it smart for someone to give in, to just toss their own principles, and cower to the bullying? Why doesn't your side do that instead of our side, if you believe so little in your principles while we believe so much in ours? Besides, you already seem to believe in caving into another belief, apparently. That would be smart, right?
    1) I have already explained that it is stupid to stand up for one's beliefs when those beliefs are stupid

    2) It is always smart for someone who believes in something stupid to "give in" and admit that their beliefs were stupid.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    1) I have already explained that it is stupid to stand up for one's beliefs when those beliefs are stupid
    Now that is some feat of circular logic...it is stupid because, as you said before, that it just is stupid...nicely proven in the most efficient liberal fashion... I am sure you must think the work is done here, huh?

    What is stupid about it? And really, more to the point, what is illegal about it... why should they be so bullied from their beliefs by you folks? Since it is a legal religious belief, based on at least thousands of years of civilizational practice that have, obviously, been very very successful for Christians, they being the number 1 religion in the world with 2 billion adherents... what have your statist-religon type groups done lately?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    2) It is always smart for someone who believes in something stupid to "give in" and admit that their beliefs were stupid.
    So, right about now you should be giving in, four ..three...two...one....make the jump...

    Oh that's right, you are unable...my bad...

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