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Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

Kanstantine said:
You will be collecting Social Security and Medicare when you are eligable.
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So? Those are programs he's been forced to pay into. You do know how Social Security works, right? Because you don't seem to from your comments here.
 
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Cephus said:
It isn't that homosexuality isn't a sin (lots of things are in the Bible that most Christians ignore entirely), it's that we just don't give a damn because sin is an utterly idiotic concept.
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You're ok with rape, murder and robbery?
 
clownboy said:
Well then, avoid christians and don't become one yourself. No one is asking you to attend church. There are plenty of places all around this large country where you can go to live among those of like mind.

I have a sign on my door, says, "NO, I don't want to hear about your religion". Don't even get the LDS folks coming by anymore. I suggest you go the same route.
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I don't get them coming to my door either, mostly because I invited them in and proved I know more about their religion than they do, hence their churches black-listed my house so I don't deconvert their missionaries. I've been virtually door-knocker free for over a decade.
 
apdst said:
Getting back the money they took from me, you mean? Well, maybe, unless they've given it all away to people who never paid into the system, in the attempt to expanding the Democrat plantation system.
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What does this have to do with Gays in the Boy Scouts?
 
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apdst said:
You're ok with rape, murder and robbery?
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No, but it isn't sin that makes them wrong, it's the laws of the nation in which I live. Sin is irrelevant.
 
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Cephus said:
No, but it isn't sin that makes them wrong, it's the laws of the nation in which I live. Sin is irrelevant.
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They were sins, long before they were laws in The United States of America.
 
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apdst said:
They were sins, long before they were laws in The United States of America.
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The sun and moon were gods long before we recognized them for what they are. You had a point?
 
Cephus said:
I don't get them coming to my door either, mostly because I invited them in and proved I know more about their religion than they do, hence their churches black-listed my house so I don't deconvert their missionaries. I've been virtually door-knocker free for over a decade.
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That sounds good on the face of it, but you're deluding yourself. According to my LDS friends yours is precisely the place they want to revisit - daily. Those who are full of themselves with religious knowledge are the most vocal converts and generally not all that hard to get. Just takes persistence. A simple sign however will be honored.
 
apdst said:
I'm still waiting to see all that, "Liberal compassion", "tolerance", and, "fairness", I've been hearing about.
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Liberals are in a position to urge Christains to be loving and tolerant towards Gays, as it is Christian doctrine to love the sinner but hate the sin.

Fascinating that we have to educate them on how to be a proper Christian.

They don't have to love sin, like sin, or tolerate sin. But the Christian thing to do is to embrace all sinners and help them to change their sinful ways, whether it be anal sex, oral sex, greed, lust, jealousy, hate, slander, dishonesty, sex out of weadlock, or violence.
 
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Cephus said:
The sun and moon were gods long before we recognized them for what they are. You had a point?
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The point is, that you view sin however you choose and everyone else can do the same. It's called, "religious freedom", and is one of the things that makes this the greatest nation in the history of mankind.
 
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apdst said:
The point is, that you view sin however you choose and everyone else can do the same. It's called, "religious freedom", and is one of the things that makes this the greatest nation in the history of mankind.
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Churches have every right to discriminate against Gays and urge their members to do so.

But they are hateful for doing so and unChristian. They will be judged for it.
 
Kanstantine said:
Liberals are in a position to urge Christains to be loving and tolerant towards Gays, as it is Christian doctrine to love the sinner but hate the sin.

Fascinating that we have to educate them on how to be a proper Christian.

They don't have to love sin, like sin, or tolerate sin. But the Christian thing to do is to embrace all sinners and help them to change their sinful ways, whether it be anal sex, oral sex, greed, lust, jealousy, hate, slander, dishonesty, sex out of weadlock, or violence.
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Libbos aren't in a position to, "urge", anyone to do anything. Ever hear of The United States Constitution? Read the 1st Amendment, where it guarantees religious freedom. It's one of our civil rights.
 
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Kanstantine said:
Churches have every right to discriminate against Gays and urge their members to do so.

But they are hateful for doing so and unChristian. They will be judged for it.
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How judgmental of you...speaking of being a good Christian...LOL!!!
 
apdst said:
Libbos aren't in a position to, "urge", anyone to do anything. Ever hear of The United States Constitution? Read the 1st Amendment, where it guarantees religious freedom. It's one of our civil rights.
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Yes, you have the right to be a hateful bigot and claim that such attitudes are Christian. Its very legal.

But a higher power will have final judgement and it won't be a good one.
 
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apdst said:
How judgmental of you...speaking of being a good Christian...LOL!!!
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There is nothing unChristian about exposing hatred. Jesus would do the same. He wanted all of his disciples to be righteous and examples of righteousness and to shine the light of truth upon all wickidness, including hatred.
 
Kanstantine said:
Yes, you have the right to be a hateful bigot and claim that such attitudes are Christian. Its very legal.

But a higher power will have final judgement and it won't be a good one.
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You speak for God, now?
 
apdst said:
You speak for God, now?
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I can read. I've read the Bible.

God wants us to be loving and kind to all. Including sinners.

We are to love them while condemning sin. This is how Jesus lived.
 
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clownboy said:
You appear to claim to understand the Bible and the various flavours of christianity - why don't YOU?
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Why would I want to condemn people to hell? Why would I want to believe that the vast majority of humanity (as "unbelievers") is going to spend eternity in endless torture?

Why would I use 'faith' to claim that I am more moral than everyone else? I obviously have no more morality ("family values") or moral authority than anyone else on the Earth, except it seems, if I were a religious Christian. Why would I publicly condemn and judge those who I believe to be 'morally unfit' like gays, sex workers, women who get abortions or even harmless idiots like those who cuss and swear?

Why would I demand to say "Merry Christmas", pray in public or erect crosses and the 10 Commandments; just so Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs and atheists can feel uncomfortable and excluded in their home countries? Why would I want to complain that I am being persecuted for actively practicing my Christian religion in the public square and in government, whilst showing minority faiths absolute disrespect?

Why would I want to believe that praying, church attendance, tithing, God's Grace or repentance have any substantial benefit in this world; when that time spent in church could be spent actually helping needy people? Or all that money given to churches and pastors/preachers living comfortable, posh lives in first-world countries could instead be given to the poor and the unfortunate?

Why would I ever want to believe that humans have 'original sin'? Why I would I want to have no hope in humanity, or the goodness and kindness of people? Why would I want to believe that all the suffering, misery and hopelessness in the world is required by an (1) an uncaring deity or (2) a merciless entity out to test his creations by causing them pain; instead of believing that there is NO God, and that on account of this, there is actual hope for humanity to better itself and ease it's suffering?

I wonder sometimes ...
 
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Kanstantine said:
There is nothing unChristian about exposing hatred. Jesus would do the same. He wanted all of his disciples to be righteous and examples of righteousness and to shine the light of truth upon all wickidness, including hatred.
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It was Jesus that made homosexuality is an abomination. :rofl

Have you ever actually read the Bible, or are you just regurgitating the talking points emailed to you by your handlers at MSNBC?
 
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clownboy said:
wolfie isn't entirely offbase, nor are you. There's a reason we are told not to go grocery shopping when we're hungry - it affects our shopping. Young ones on the cusp of or into puberty are generally at the mercy of their hormones, their urges are strong and have not yet learned the control over their desires that adults [should] have. That's one of the reasons for adult supervision at these camps.

If anything is going to happen, it will happen because one is attracted to the other. That's not going to happen with a group of all heterosexual boys.
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From some of the stories I have heard, many hetero boyscouts were quite willing and able to do some sexual "exploration" without any gays in the club.
 
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apdst said:
It was Jesus that made homosexuality is an abomination. :rofl

Have you ever actually read the Bible, or are you just regurgitating the talking points emailed to you by your handlers at MSNBC?
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Slander is a sin my friend. No less of a sin than homosexuality.
 
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brothern said:
Why would I want to condemn people to hell? Why would I want to believe that the vast majority of humanity (as "unbelievers") is going to spend eternity in endless torture?

Why would I use 'faith' to claim that I am more moral than everyone else? I obviously have no more morality ("family values") or moral authority than anyone else on the Earth, except it seems, if I were a religious Christian. Why would I publicly condemn and judge those who I believe to be 'morally unfit' like gays, sex workers, women who get abortions or even harmless idiots like those who cuss and swear?

Why would I demand to say "Merry Christmas", pray in public or erect crosses and the 10 Commandments; just so Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs and atheists can feel uncomfortable and excluded in their home countries? Why would I want to complain that I am being persecuted for actively practicing my Christian religion in the public square and in government, whilst showing minority faiths absolute disrespect?

Why would I want to believe that praying, church attendance, tithing, God's Grace or repentance have any substantial benefit in this world; when that time spent in church could be spent actually helping needy people? Or all that money given to churches and pastors/preachers living comfortable, posh lives in first-world countries could instead be given to the poor and the unfortunate?

Why would I ever want to believe that humans have 'original sin'? Why I would I want to have no hope in humanity, or the goodness and kindness of people? Why would I want to believe that all the suffering, misery and hopelessness in the world is required by an (1) an uncaring deity or (2) a merciless entity out to test his creations by causing them pain; instead of believing that there is NO God, and that on account of this, there is actual hope for humanity to better itself and ease it's suffering?

I wonder sometimes ...
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So, in other words, you're not a christian and you don't understand christianity or the Bible. You just wish to remain comfortable with your misunderstandings and rejection of belief. Fine by me, but then why go to all the trouble of trying to trot out quotes and passages you don't understand the context of, trying to convince yourself of something?

You're not convincing us who are christians, we can see your error.
 
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Kanstantine said:
Slander is a sin my friend. No less of a sin than homosexuality.
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You mean, bearing false witness? It is, but not even close to addressing the post you quoted.
 
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Hard Truth said:
From some of the stories I have heard, many hetero boyscouts were quite willing and able to do some sexual "exploration" without any gays in the club.
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I'll say again:

Young ones on the cusp of or into puberty are generally at the mercy of their hormones, their urges are strong and have not yet learned the control over their desires that adults [should] have. That's one of the reasons for adult supervision at these camps.
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