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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Denying people access to your church because you think they're sinners is the exact opposite of christianity.
    Good thing that's not what he's doing.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Good thing that's not what he's doing.
    You're right, he's denying access to his church to a group that simply isn't discriminating as hard as he wants. Not-discriminating isn't a sin. If you'd like to provide a bible verse showing how the boy scouts have committed a great atrocity, I'd like to see it.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    By letting someone into your church you're not condoning every sin they've ever committed. You're simply giving yourself an opportunity to preach to them.
    Oh WELL then - GOSH if he were a REAL Christian and understood his faith as well as YOU clearly do, he'd be welcoming chapters of NAMBLA and allowing abortions to proceed on the premises.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

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    Oh WELL then - GOSH if he were a REAL Christian and understood his faith as well as YOU clearly do, he'd be welcoming chapters of NAMBLA and allowing abortions to proceed on the premises.
    NAMBLA actively rapes boys. The boyscouts simply let sinners in, which isn't a sin. If you can show me a bible verse showing that allowing sinners into your organization is a sin, I'll admit I'm wrong right here on the spot.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    If you can tell me that there is one person on earth who hasn't sinned, I'll capitulate.

    Or even better, if you can tell me how not-discriminating is a sin, I'll also capitulate. (I'd like to see the bible verse)

    By letting someone into your church you're not condoning every sin they've ever committed. You're simply giving yourself an opportunity to preach to them.

    Picking and choosing which sins you think are worse than others is distinctly contradictory with the bible.
    Its not a question of whether someone has sinned. You probably missed the part where I stated that we all fall short. The issue is about those that dont just occasionally sin but rather promote it, embrace it, and have or see no desire to change. And lets be honest, you would be losing it in a completely different thread if tyhat same pastor allowed them to hold scout meetings in the church but attempted them to deny their sinful behavior. But again...you KNOW all of those things. Your position is that it is NOT a sin. Which is FINE...for you.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

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    Its not a question of whether someone has sinned. You probably missed the part where I stated that we all fall short. The issue is about those that dont just occasionally sin but rather promote it, embrace it, and have or see no desire to change. And lets be honest, you would be losing it in a completely different thread if tyhat same pastor allowed them to hold scout meetings in the church but attempted them to deny their sinful behavior. But again...you KNOW all of those things. Your position is that it is NOT a sin. Which is FINE...for you.
    The boyscouts haven't promoted sin, embraced it, or had no desire to see it change. If you had been keeping up with the news, they were dragged into tolerance kicking and screaming.

    Chances are there are no homosexuals in this pastor's local boy scout group, he just wants to make a political statement. If he were out banning people and organizations that commit any sin, then I would understand. At least he'd be consistent. Instead he's simply picked out homosexuality as a "worse" sin than the others, and has ignored his own sin and the sins of his congregation.

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

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    Wow, you do go to great lengths to polish turds I'll give you that.
    I do not polish turds, but I do state what the facts are as I see them. You aparentlly belive that the pastor is wrong to exclude the Boy Scouts due to their decision to accept openly homosexual members. His faith belives it is wrong to accept the sin and that is the reason why the BSA cannot use his church anymore. Why this is a big issue I do not know. It is not like that the refusal means very much in the long run after all they will find another place to go to.

    Everyone has conduct or idea that they cannot countenance. Apparently you are one who belives that one cannot consider homosexual conduct is wrong and the pastor belives counterwise. I am merely trying to point out this.
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    If people exercised decorum, there would be none of the gay controversy in boy scouts or marriage ect.

    Flaunting sexuality is NOT condoned among religious people.

    The problem is gays want recognition that they are okay and normal and they want to flaunt themselves.

    That's asking a lot. Too much in fact.

    Organizations that depend upon public support and that cave in to pressure from gay rights organizations, sign their own death warrant.

    It's perfectly legal to ostracize people promoting political ideals offensive to you or to me or to the majority.

    People WILL ostracize in defense of their OWN ideals and mores!

    In other words, the National Boy Scout Council, though maybe well intentioned, peed in the milk, and now aren't welcome in certain houses, albeit houses of God.

    You will see MORE derision and rejection, so prepare to get accustomed to it.

    You simply can not JAM your version of morals or lack of, down peoples throats. They'll BITE you!
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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The boyscouts haven't promoted sin, embraced it, or had no desire to see it change. If you had been keeping up with the news, they were dragged into tolerance kicking and screaming.

    Chances are there are no homosexuals in this pastor's local boy scout group, he just wants to make a political statement. If he were out banning people and organizations that commit any sin, then I would understand. At least he'd be consistent. Instead he's simply picked out homosexuality as a "worse" sin than the others, and has ignored his own sin and the sins of his congregation.
    The Boy Scouts decided to change their policy re allowing homosexuals. Personally...where it involves scouting youth, I have no problem with it. Others see it as a change in policy accepting homosexuality...what they classify as a 'sin'. To those individuals you should no sooner embrace homosexuals in their organization as you would make a known and open adulterer prayer leader and let them hold swing meetings in the chapel annex. That part of the 'Gospel' which you site but ALWAYS forget is still telling. "GO FORTH AND SIN NO MORE". Christ did not say embrace all sinful behavior. He didnt say accept, tolerate, and allow sinful behavior. He modeled love toward the individual with the UNDENIABLE clarity of judgment of the behavior. Go forth...and sin no more. Tell a group of people "come on in...and keep sinnin' like a rock star" is not consistent with that Christian model you attempted to use in your judgment of the pastor. And SINCE you are all about this Christian ideology, you might have some 'splainin to do with regard to your overt judgment of the pastor yourself. Or does that whole nonjudgmental/hypocrite thing only apply to others?

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    Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    NAMBLA actively rapes boys.
    Didn't you JUST get done saying that "there are no gradients of sin. So maybe he has a beer belly, or occaisonally thinks about sex. Both of those are sins and he's equally as sinful."

    Any REAL Christian understands that actively raping boys and having a beer belly are equal in the eyes of God, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The boyscouts simply let sinners in, which isn't a sin.
    ... NAMBLA is no different. They simply let sinners in.

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