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Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

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I wish I could like this a thousand times.

It's so sad how passionately these people are defending their own prejudices. This is the biggest problem I have with christians. They condemn and cry and whine about how homosexuals are horrible sinners, yet their own lives are chocked full of sin.

Simply pathetic.
 
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Oh my, bigotry in Alabama. I totally did not see that coming.
 
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No, it's that he's picked what he thinks is a worse sin, then discriminated on it. (Which he can do, but it doesn't line up with the bible.)

So let's get this straight:

- The boy scouts are a sinful organization because they now allow sinners. (homosexuals)
- There are no gradients of sin. All sin is equal in the eyes of god.
- We are all sinners.
- Churches allow humans into their church, which because they're human, are also sinners.

Therefore, this church is doing the EXACT SAME THING the boyscouts are doing. They're allowing sinners into their congregation (that's the point of a church!)

You don't see the hypocrasy in this? So the boyscouts previously let those guilty of gluttony, lust, envy, and all the other sins, and that was ok, but as soon as they let homosexuals in, that's a no-no because that sin is worse?

Show me in the bible where it says homosexuality is a worse sin than the others.

Actually what I think they're really doing is just continuing the strategy of picking a 'sin' that relatively few partake in and proceed to oppress a small minority that was already disliked and misunderstood. Very noble of them. If they went after gluttony, envy, birth control etc, they would have no congregation.
 
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Actually what I think they're really doing is just continuing the strategy of picking a 'sin' that relatively few partake in and proceed to oppress a small minority that was already disliked and misunderstood. Very noble of them. If they went after gluttony, envy, birth control etc, they would have no congregation.

This is so unbelievably correct. Well said.
 
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Again the hatred of the church shows it's true colors. I agree it's time the Boy scouts left the archaic practices of the sky god church since the church is intolerant of the sinner instead of the sin.

The way things are going the church is going to eventually find hard times finding support. Good riddance.

Proclamations from the new black hole deity maybe, set to swallow and destroy everything in its path, eh? The new state religion.

This "church" of which you speak is the most populated in the world, with 2 billion members, 33% of all the people who believe in a creator world-wide.

Better hope that those of us who have been pretty darn tolerant, up to this point, of the despicable and unnatural... better hope we continue to be far more tolerant than you folks are... because once we begin to match your intolerance... well, lets just put it this way, one would sure see a lot more of those currently empty closets filling back up again...

So watch your tongue and practice what you preach...
 
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No, they're not letting the hated sinners in



From Matthew 5

I think I began this with the fact that I am not a practitioner of that particular faith...so your quoting of their text, pretty sure pretty much out of context, does not impact me too too much...but maybe it will resonate with others out there...

The fact of the matter is, I am sure they will let any, and all, of the sinners in...any and all that so desire may attend any church service they may want, if one really wants in...so they [the individual members of the Boy Scouts ] surely will be allowed in, especially if they want to work on recovering from a deviant path upon which they have been led or which they have on their own embarked...

But i am sure the various sincerely pious churches, if they are faced with just a forced stumbling down a path under which they have no control, faced with an organization that no longer means what it was originally meant to stand for, no longer upholds the faith... what faith based organization in their right mind would want let in this whole nasty can of worms, with law suits no doubt in the future when things start to get more and more wild, less and less godly, who of the prudent and holy would make that irrational decision to allow this trojan horse in the back door much less the front...
 
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Wow, bigotry has become a cardinal sin, I see :roll:
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Below is an example of everything for which the anti-religious condemn Christians. Pot, meet kettle. :roll:

1) I have already explained that it is stupid to stand up for one's beliefs when those beliefs are stupid

2) It is always smart for someone who believes in something stupid to "give in" and admit that their beliefs were stupid.

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I'm fine with anyone disagreeing so long as they have a logical, rational, evidence-based reason to do so. When it's morons talking to an imaginary friend in the sky as their only explanation for why they hate others, that's none of the above.

So you are "one of those" that does not, deep down, really want to believe in the wind and air, since you cannot see or truly understand them, eh? Or electricity, or gravity... your logic of how all this, everything we know and can think of, came about? You have no logic for that, so we all start at the same base of not knowing. Your side goes off on your own "silly" path, and we go ours. What makes yours better? Nothing, absolutely nothing...

An arrogant dismissal hardly looks clever... maybe that "big bang" will eventually go off in that nascent mind... and hopefully one will "get it" in less time than it takes a rock to evolve to the point to where it can decide it wants to live... and somehow figures out how to create DNA so it can turn into a living one celled creature that, fun fun, ends up dying...

Just how logical is that? Time to call Bill Nye, the science guy, for he surely has the answer, huh? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, too too funny ...
 
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Not everyone broadcasts it. Sometimes people just find out. I think boyscouts should have NOTHING to do with sexual preference one way or the other. And that making a rule allowing or disallowing gays is preposterous. But sometimes people will find out and to disallow someone after it is known is cold blooded even if you personally may think its wrong.

We agree on there being no need to make an open declaration of sexual preference, it is unnecessary and should not even be a consideration in this organization that has nothing to do, or shouldn't, with anybody being sexual or not. I would even go as far as to say that anybody, especially the underaged, that wanted to openly declare such, hetero or homosexual, should not be allowed in since that is not a part of, and in fact detracts from, the mission of the Boy Scouts.

That these kids who, ostensibly, only want to be out of doors, learn skills, enjoy simple and wholesome camaraderie... and that these agenda driven others would turn this into a fight over sexuality...just so they can either make sure it is known they are allowed in, are getting in... either that or to destroy what has been, in the past, a character building and generally good organization... shameful.

And as regards disallowing a practice considered not only a sin to most, but is simply a deviant lifestyle that quite possibly is a nurtured not a natural trait, the exclusion of those that so practice, that is totally within the purview of assembling with those only of your own choice, first amendment right [freedom or assembly], remember. And I would say anyone, homo or hertero, who is already "practicing" would not be, or maybe rather should not be, in compliance with the standards, not comporting with the behavior being promoted within such an upstanding organization.
 
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Not everyone broadcasts it. Sometimes people just find out. I think boyscouts should have NOTHING to do with sexual preference one way or the other. And that making a rule allowing or disallowing gays is preposterous. But sometimes people will find out and to disallow someone after it is known is cold blooded even if you personally may think its wrong.

We agree on there being no need to make declaration of sexual preference, it is unnecessary and should not even be a consideration in this organization that has nothing to do, or shouldn't, with anybody being sexual or not. I would even go as far as to say that anybody, especially the underaged, that wanted to openly declare such, hetero or homosexual, should not be allowed in since that is not a part of the mission of the Boy Scouts.

That these kids who, ostensibly, only want to be out of doors, learn skills, enjoy simple and wholesome camaraderie... and that others would turn this into a fight over sexuality...just so they can either make sure it is known they are allowed in, are getting in... either that or to destroy what has been, in the past, a character building and generally good organization... shameful.

And as regards disallowing a practice considered not only a sin to most, but is simply a deviant lifestyle that is quite possibly a nurtured and not a natural trait, that is totally within our purview of assembling with those only of our own choice, first amendment right [freedom or assembly], right? I would say more, that anyone, homo or hertero, who is already "practicing" would not be, or maybe rather should not be, considered in compliance with the standards, not comporting with the behavior being promoted within such an upstanding organization...not admitted or deciding, of their own volition by so openly declaring, to step out of the organization... we should be teaching how to do so gracefully rather than promote cash cows for lawyers...
 
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The boyscouts haven't promoted sin, embraced it, or had no desire to see it change. If you had been keeping up with the news, they were dragged into tolerance kicking and screaming.

Chances are there are no homosexuals in this pastor's local boy scout group, he just wants to make a political statement. If he were out banning people and organizations that commit any sin, then I would understand. At least he'd be consistent. Instead he's simply picked out homosexuality as a "worse" sin than the others, and has ignored his own sin and the sins of his congregation.

You know the left would go haywire if the pastor let them come on the condition that he seek to straighten out the gay members, despite the church looking at it as discouraging sin.
 
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I dont hate the guy and I tolerate him as proven by my previous posts. Try again plz? (I am disgusted but I don't hate "them")

You simply assume I hate.

Mrr-Wbst---Hate: 1. a : intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury
b : extreme dislike or antipathy : loathing <had a great hate of hard work> 2. : an object of hatred <a generation whose finest hate had been big business — F. L. Paxson>

We could quibble, but my estimation of just how much of that definition of which you fulfill in spirit? At minimum, easily the preponderance. Surely having realized that tipping point towards being hate... to me anyhow.

We differ in perspectives of what, precisely,is your true perspective. I think you declare yourself tolerant, but act in a contradictory fashion.

With the current, ongoing and growing intolerance shown on the other side, original tolerance from this side is tumbling on a bridge collapsed. Got that last train through safely… but one might be cautioned 'til ya rebuild that bridge.

Should one not look ahead, see which way that steam engine’s” smoke” is blowing? Take note that the bridge is out? Study the lessons of history, perhaps, understand the odds…

Caution! Potential speed bumps ahead…oops, I mean, bridge is out...
 
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This is so unbelievably correct. Well said.

Ignorant babble, far from correct.

it's like saying Jesus would have had no problem running a "swingers" resort out in back of the temple because he scared off some people planning to stone an adulterer.

So you go ahead and tell me how churches directly enable envy, gluttony, etc. Let's hear it.
 
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If they are saying "Get out of my church!".... I guess they love them? Or do you cast your enemies to oblivion and beyond to never see them again? Just because I said I hope the bigots stay secluded doesn't mean I hate them. Im not the one enforcing the rules. I just hope it happens to end up that way without me interfering at all. This isnt my battle except for the part where I argue on the internet in this case.

Now contrast that "Get out of my church!" with the pastor, had he said something about the Boy Scouts like,

“with that said **** “ them." And maybe if the pastor had added something else, something to this effect: I hope all those that are reasonable in the “community” leaves them so they can have a hateful gay bigotry party in seclusion without attempting to indoctrinate all us wholesomely decent humans.

Would the pastor then have gone over the line,gone maybe a bit too far, might be considered to have achieved hateful? Might, maybe, would it then be considered hateful? BTW, not loving them cannot be considered to equate with hating them, not to a reasonable mind anyhow.
As you probably are aware, that above couple of statements is pretty much a paraphrase of what you said about the pastor and his congregation in your first post that I responded to.

If you make it your battle… its your battle.
 
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You know the left would go haywire if the pastor let them come on the condition that he seek to straighten out the gay members, despite the church looking at it as discouraging sin.

Doubt it. That's his religion, and he's a pastor. I'm just saying he need to follow his own religious text. Picking out what sins you think are worse than your own, then refusing services only to those sinners is being both inconsistent and a poor christian.

The boyscouts let gluttons in, why didn't they ban the boyscouts sooner? Or is gluttony a 'better' sin than homosexuality?

Ignorant babble, far from correct.

it's like saying Jesus would have had no problem running a "swingers" resort out in back of the temple because he scared off some people planning to stone an adulterer.

So you go ahead and tell me how churches directly enable envy, gluttony, etc. Let's hear it.

Is there a butt-sex merit-badge? The boyscouts as an organization don't have any association to homosexuality. They simply didn't discriminate against homosexuals joining, not changing their curriculum.

Are you saying any organization that allows sinners to join is evil and should be banned? You do realize that all humans are sinners, right? And that the church pews are littered with sinners.

I guess we should shut down the churches, because by letting sinners join, the church is telling them that their sin is OK.

Stop twisting the bible to meet your hate.
 
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What.a.jerk.

Why?

I see no reason why a Christian organization should support another organization in clear conflict with it.
 
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Why?

I see no reason why a Christian organization should support another organization in clear conflict with it.

Christian principles don't include judging others. Penalizing boys because some of them might be gay is wrong. Penalizing gays is wrong.

If they are refusing "service" to BSA because there are people within it they consider sinners? How do they fill up their church on Sunday mornings??
 
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The BSA are not a religious organization. I'm sure other groups would be permitted to use the church. I think this is out and out descrimination.

huh? The church is private property. he disagrees with the new policy of the BSA.

Is the guy a dick? Sure, but he is well within his rights to control what organizations make use of the property
 
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Christian principles don't include judging others. Penalizing boys because some of them might be gay is wrong. Penalizing gays is wrong.

If they are refusing "service" to BSA because there are people within it they consider sinners? How do they fill up their church on Sunday mornings??

They're refusing "service" to people openly living in conflict with their beliefs.

That doesn't seem unreasonable to me. What's more, every person feigning outrage in this thread *knew* this was in open conflict with Christianity.
 
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huh? The church is private property. he disagrees with the new policy of the BSA.

Is the guy a dick? Sure, but he is well within his rights to control what organizations make use of the property

Private business, using their own private property, their own funds, cannot discriminate in this manner. Why are churches legally different? I know why they are, by the way, I just don't think it should be legal. Churches enjoy favorable tax status under 401c laws. They should have to adhere to The Civil Rights Act just like everyone else.
 
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Maybe he should put up with adultery amongst the congregation, too; and church members drinking whiskey, during sunday service. Yes?

Clearly you haven't read the thread. I suggested that if anyone was "sinning" while in church, I have no problem giving them the boot.

As to adultery, if he didn't allow adulterers in, he'd lose 50% of his flock. Hell he might not get in himself.
 
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They're refusing "service" to people openly living in conflict with their beliefs.

That doesn't seem unreasonable to me. What's more, every person feigning outrage in this thread *knew* this was in open conflict with Christianity.

Do they ban couples living together outside of marriage? Those who are having sex outside marriage? Those who lie? Those who cheat? Those who bully? Those who don't come to church every Sunday? Those who drink?

When churches start banning sinners?? They've lost the plot. From their tenets:

Salvation involves the redemption or the whole man, and is offered freely to all who accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, who by His own blood obtained eternal redemption for the believer. In its broadest sense salvation includes regeneration, sanctification, and glorification.

I don't see "except if you're gay" in there anywhere. You?
 
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Private business, using their own private property, their own funds, cannot discriminate in this manner.

he isn't discriminating against gays, but an organization
 
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